[ExI] Subjective/Objective

[Brent Allsop]

Hi Ben,

On Mon, Jul 13, 2026 at 4:57 AM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On 13/07/2026 02:23, Brent Allsop wrote:
> > When we are aware of many qualities at one time as one unified gestalt
> experience, something more is happening — effing of the ineffable.
>
>
> Nope, nothing more is happening. When we become aware of something, when
> many signals are happening at the same time and influencing each other,
> that is what is happening - we become aware of it. I don't know what else
> could be happening. Isn't it remarkable enough?
>

That is a falsifiable claim.


> Can I ask that you actually define the words 'ineffable' and 'eff', and
> explain what you think the phrase means? Do you think 'possing the
> impossible' means something? It would seem to imply something other than
> proving that something thought to be impossible is possible after all. What
> the Wright brothers did, for example.
>

I don't know what more I can say to define this, given everything we've
discussed.  You can't tell someone what redness is like, with words alone,
because the quality is ineffable.  Parts of our brain integrate
information, so we can directly apprehend many qualities into one unified
gestalt experience.  I predict we will soon discover new qualities, and
achieve the ability to integrate them into our experiences (including the
ability to integrate regular qualities into people who suffer from
achromatopsia) - the second of 3 different ways to eff the ineffable
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JKwACeT3b1bta1M78wZ3H2vWkjGxwZ46OHSySYRWATs/edit?tab=t.0>.
And that this will be demonstrated to be more than just abstract messaging.
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