[ExI] AI Knowledge Distillation Problem

[sjatkins]

Sounds like fair game to me if your goal is to maximize effective intelligence. 


On Saturday, July 11th, 2026 at 18:25, BillK via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> I asked Perplexity AI if Chinese developers were using distillation to copy USA AI models.
> The answer was - Yes, but not in every case.
> BillK
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> Perplexity AI -
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> Yes — distillation has become a real and widely discussed problem in the US–China LLM race, but it is not the same thing as “all Chinese LLMs copying US LLMs.” The strongest current claims are that some Chinese firms have used unauthorized model-output harvesting or “distillation attacks” to imitate US frontier models, while other Chinese labs are also building legitimately from open-weight models and their own research.
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> What the issue is
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> Knowledge distillation itself is a normal machine-learning technique: a smaller “student” model learns from a larger “teacher” model’s outputs. The controversy is when companies use that technique on proprietary US models without permission, especially by circumventing access controls or creating large numbers of fake accounts to collect outputs at scale.
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> What the evidence says
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> OpenAI has accused DeepSeek of trying to “free-ride” on US frontier labs by extracting outputs from its models for training, and Reuters/Bloomberg reported similar claims in February 2026. Anthropic also said it found “industrial-scale” distillation attacks involving DeepSeek, Moonshot AI, and MiniMax, with millions of interactions used to extract capabilities from Claude.
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> How big the problem is
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> The problem appears serious enough to worry US AI firms and policymakers, but the public evidence does not prove that Chinese progress is mainly or entirely due to copying. Chinese labs also release strong open-weight models and do original work, so the full picture is mixed: some capability gains may come from distillation, while others come from genuine engineering and algorithmic improvements.
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> Practical takeaway
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> So the best answer is: yes, unauthorized distillation is now a major concern, and it is part of the broader competition between Chinese and US LLM labs. But it is more accurate to describe this as an arms race around model extraction, imitation, and safeguards than as a blanket claim that Chinese LLMs are simply copying US ones.
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