[ExI] ET Emergence (Was Re: Uploads as a group of AI agents)

[John Clark]

On Sun, Mar 29, 2026 at 8:19 AM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

* >> Forget 1/3 c, if just one ET had been able to send just one Von
>> Neumann probe at 1/30 c then almost instantly (cosmically speaking) it
>> would be very obvious to anybody that the Milky Way had been engineered,
>> but instead we see a huge astronomical number of energy rich photons from
>> hundreds of billions of stars radiating uselessly into empty space; and the
>> Milky Way is not unique, even our largest telescopes can find no sign that
>> any other galaxy has been engineered either. That's why I think the
>> evidence is overwhelming that we are the only intelligent beings in the
>> observable universe.  *
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> * > Your argument makes sense, I'm, not saying it doesn't, but we can't
> ignore the timing.Maybe the von-neumann probes are on the way, but won't be
> apparent for another few thousand+ years, because they launched just
> recently.*


*Maybe, but the universe is 13.8 billion years old, the probability that a
Von Neumann Probe is about to arrive right now just as we are on the brink
of the Singularity and will have the ability to make a Von Neumann Probe of
our own is too big a coincidence to be credible. *


* > We can argue about the possible reasons for no civilisations being
> capable of extensive space activity (which almost certainly means uploading
> into non-biological embodiments of some kind*) until very recently, but we
> can't rule it out.*


*When a theory has nothing going for it except for the fact that it doesn't
violate the fundamental laws of physics and there are other theories that
have more going for them than that, I think as a practical matter we can
rule it out. *

* John K Clark*

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