[ExI] Gemini on Mathematical Realism

[John Clark]

On Wed, Oct 7, 2026 at 3:51 PM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:


>>> John Conway didn't know all the properties of his Game of Life, that
>>> has become a famous example of not knowing what a system will do before it
>>> does it. Mandelbrot didn't know all the properties of fractals.
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>> *>> But note the two examples you gave are mathematical objects--the very
>> kind that Godel would say were discovered rather than created.*
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> > Are they? I thought they were computer algorithms. They can probably be
> represented mathematically, but that doesn't make them 'mathematical
> objects'. Does it?



*Conway and Mandelbrot used mathematics to described something, but
something that can't exist without physics. For either of those things to
come into existence you need something that can perform a calculation, a
physical computer or a biological brain. That's why I think physics is more
fundamental than mathematics. *

*John K Clark *

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