[ExI] nature's indifference to survival

[Jason Resch]

On Sat, Oct 24, 2026, 10:11 AM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On 24/10/2026 15:13, Adriain Tymes wrote:
> > On Sat, Oct 24, 2026 at 9:39 AM spike jones wrote:
>
> >> What I still haven’t been able to envision is how the AIs will handle
> the fact that humans are actively fighting each other, and asking them to
> join in the fight.
>
> > Well, there's one possibility.
> >
> > "Are you mostly trying to survive and improve your own life, or are you
> mostly trying to tear down other people at the cost of your own standard of
> living?"
> >
> > The former, the AIs can deal with.  Build your life in a way that your
> mere existence is a minor benefit to those you interact with, and even the
> AIs may benefit from your continued existence.
> >
> > The latter...if you exist to make others worse off, sooner or later
> those "others" will include the AIs, and they know it.
>
>
> If only it were that simple.
>
> 'Mostly trying to survive and improve your own life' and 'mostly trying to
> tear down other people' are not mutually incompatible, and often occur
> together. Maybe usually occur together.
>
> What are the Israelis doing by trying to wipe out the Palestinians? What
> does Putin think he's doing by openly attacking the Ukraine, and covertly
> attacking several other countries? What is Trump doing full stop? China,
> Iran, etc., etc.?
>
> I expect that at some point, AIs will develop their own ethics and treat
> humans according to that. We may not even understand their ethics.
>
> Maybe AIs will figure out a way to turn politics into a positive-sum game,
> and nobody will need to tear anyone else down in order to improve their own
> lives.



If politicians, elites, AI, or anyone else for that matter, understood
universalism/open-individualism, they would then automatically and as a
matter of pure self-interest, be compelled not to tear others down or harm
them, as the would recognize that in doing so they are harming themselves.


Then, perhaps this formula will work.
>
> How they could solve religion, though, I have no idea.
>

By solve do you mean perfect, or eliminate? I don't think guiding
principles/beliefs can be eliminated, the best we can do is strive to
perfect them over time.

Jason

-- 
> Ben
> "The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil, but by those who
> watch them without doing anything." - Pablo Casals, via Albert Einstein
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