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Extropian Agroforestry Ventures Inc. wrote:<br>
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This snippet of chat from the extropian group touches on the focal
point <br>
, it's not CDSA or prescriptive<br>
access but ........ should any third party have greater power or <br>
exclusive rights to dictate what a person should , will or cannot <br>
consume than that individual themselves.<br>
<br>
We are really discussing the rights we have given to the state to <br>
override the rights of the individual. It can be argued<br>
a sophisticated 21st century citizen should have full right to be <br>
protected against the state's more's when dealing with thier own body.
<br>
The proviso here is that the individual must pay for such
non-authorized <br>
procedures, augnmentations (mechanical, chemical or otherwise) <br>
themselves just as persons wishing cosmetic surgery must. Ownership <br>
over one's body is the issue. Even an MD cannot self-prescribe. All <br>
one has to do is remove from law , the medical privacy laws from
medical <br>
choices made when citizens self-prescribe as opposed to the privacy
laws <br>
when a third party authorized by the state prescribes and an new check <br>
and balance based on individual freedoms might result?<br>
<br>
I think Society/State has come to assume that socialist protections <br>
allow borgian assimilation and have not contemplated that<br>
just the opposite, an empowerment of individuality might result.<br>
<br>
Trend Ologist writes:<br>
<br>
>> It is time we let go of outdated doctor-patient relationships.
Having<br>
>> one doctor write a prescription for a certain medication for
one patient<br>
>> is so last-week, so old hat. This is the 21st century, we've
got to do<br>
>> the In thing, get with the New, the Now.<br>
> <br>
><br>
<br>
I assume you are being facetious, and you actually believe that people<br>
should be legally prevented from making their own decisions about what<br>
substances to put into their bodies?<br>
<br>
Would you extend this to extropian augmentations? Do you think that<br>
society should hold veto power over whether you can choose to enhance<br>
your intelligence or emotional stability?<br>
<br>
I know there are those who say that libertarianism is passe in<br>
transhumanist thought. To me, it is a fundamental part of extropian<br>
philosophy that individuals have the right to enhance their own minds
and<br>
bodies, even if society disapproves. I'd be curious to hear from those<br>
who see themselves as extropian but who believe that these decisions<br>
should be made collectively, aiming at maximizing the social welfare.<br>
<br>
Hal<br>
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Thrill seekers are plunking down six figures to ride rockets that
haven't even been built yet, and a new airline called Virgin Galactic
promises to be up and soaring in the next three years. Still, the
budding space tourism industry faces a myriad of safety concerns — in
the sky and on the ground — that must be resolved before any paying
passenger takes off.
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<p><font face="arial" size="-1"> The rules that will govern the
industry
in the United States remain under discussion between federal regulators
and rocket developers, and legislation is still before Congress. </font></p>
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<p><font face="arial" size="-1"> The pace of negotiations and the
ultimate
shape of the regulations could determine whether the sky-high
enthusiasm for space tourism — fueled by the historic suborbital
flights of SpaceShipOne — grows or wanes, especially among investors. </font></p>
<p><font face="arial" size="-1"> </font></p>
<p><font face="arial" size="-1"> Federal Aviation Administration (<a
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chief Marion C. Blakey this week visited Xcor Aerospace, a rocket
developer just down the Mojave Airport flight line from SpaceShipOne's
home. She talked of partnership with the new industry and said it was
important for the United States to be the world leader. </font></p>
<p><font face="arial" size="-1"> </font></p>
<p><font face="arial" size="-1"> She made clear, however, that broad
safety issues are the agency's topic No. 1. </font></p>
<p><font face="arial" size="-1"> </font></p>
<p><font face="arial" size="-1"> "Our first concern will be the
safety of
the uninvolved public, making sure that as this grows and develops that
we're doing everything we can to protect the folks on the ground, to
make sure that the people who go into space understand the risks," she
said. "It will be a risky business for many years to come, no doubt." </font></p>
<p><font face="arial" size="-1"> </font></p>
<p><font face="arial" size="-1"> The FAA (<a
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sites</a>)
for several years has been studying what the average passenger will
face from G-force and psychological factors, and what type of medical
fitness he or she will require, Blakey said. </font></p>
<p><font face="arial" size="-1"> </font></p>
<p><font face="arial" size="-1"> There is also a question of what
information a passenger should have, about safety records, for example,
to assess risk and make a meaningful informed-consent statement. </font></p>
<p><font face="arial" size="-1"> </font></p>
<p><font face="arial" size="-1"> Patti Grace Smith, associate
administrator for the FAA's office of commercial space transportation,
indicated passenger awareness is one of the "hurdles" in the way of
making space travel as routine as aviation. </font></p>
<p><font face="arial" size="-1"> </font></p>
<p><font face="arial" size="-1"> "The kind of threshold that we will
have
to figure out how to achieve is the cognizance issue: How do we know
that they understand the risk that they are taking? How do we know that
they understand what they're doing?" she said. </font></p>
<p><font face="arial" size="-1"> </font></p>
<p><font face="arial" size="-1"> Xcor President Jeff Greason, who
hopes to
build a rocket plane that can fly off a runway, said talks with the
government have come far but there is much work ahead on the regulatory
front. </font></p>
<p><font face="arial" size="-1"> </font></p>
<p><font face="arial" size="-1"> Greason said he is in total
agreement
that it is necessary for regulators to ensure that potential passengers
have adequate information. But he sees a "critical distinction" between
the risk faced by the uninvolved public and that faced by those who
want to fly into space. </font></p>
<p><font face="arial" size="-1"> </font></p>
<p><font face="arial" size="-1"> "The uninvolved public has to be
held to
a very high level of safety," he said. "There's no reason they should
be exposed to a level of risk that's different than they see from any
other aspect of industrial life. </font></p>
<p><font face="arial" size="-1"> </font></p>
<p><font face="arial" size="-1"> "The involved passenger, the people
who
are deliberately putting their lives and treasure at risk to open the
space frontier they've dreamed of their entire lives, as long as they
know what they're getting into, I think they have to be allowed to take
that risk." </font></p>
<p><font face="arial" size="-1"> </font></p>
<p><font face="arial" size="-1"> One of the nation's advantages, he
asserted, is that there is still a "culture of risk acceptance as long
as it's only for the participant." </font></p>
<p><font face="arial" size="-1"> </font></p>
<p><font face="arial" size="-1"> Blakey believes that passengers
through
many years of airline travel have developed an expectation of a certain
amount of regulatory oversight. </font></p>
<p><font face="arial" size="-1"> </font></p>
<p><font face="arial" size="-1"> "What that should be in commercial
space,
we're working with right now. And as I say, we definitely see that the
level of risk is very different," she said.
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<p><font face="arial" size="-1"> Greason said commercial space
transportation, for it to succeed, has to chart new ground to improve
the level of safety set by government programs such as the space
shuttle.
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<p><font face="arial" size="-1">"That means the classic regulatory
prescriptive approach of 'We'll do it just like all those other
successful very safe personal space transportation vehicles' can't
work," he said. "It's a paradoxical, hard to understand thing, but in
order to achieve greater safety, we have to allow many approaches to be
tried, because only in that way can we find out experimentally those
which offer greater safety." </font></p>
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