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<DIV><SPAN class=551124003-02112004><FONT face="Times New Roman"
color=#0000ff>This must be a very old topic:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=551124003-02112004><FONT face="Times New Roman"
color=#0000ff>If human beings came from a big bang of the universe, it's really
very possible</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=551124003-02112004><FONT color=#0000ff>that there was
already some consciousness at the big bang or when there were just
non-living things.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=551124003-02112004><FONT color=#0000ff>(It's not necessary to
say there must be some Creator or God.)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=551124003-02112004><FONT color=#0000ff>It's like the
preservation of consciousness.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=551124003-02112004><FONT color=#0000ff>PK or teleportation may
provide some direction to this.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=551124003-02112004><FONT color=#0000ff>Of course, we need to
prove them scientifically.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=551124003-02112004><FONT color=#0000ff>As David Bohm thought,
there could be much more very subtle active information at the
subatomic level.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT size=2>Thanks.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT size=2>Walter.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT size=2>---------</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=zh-tw dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org
[mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Hara
Ra<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 02, 2004 10:36 AM<BR><B>To:</B> ExI chat
list<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [extropy-chat] LIMBOIDS<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>How
can we test for consciousness without a definition and measurement
criteria?<BR><BR>At 04:35 PM 11/1/2004, you wrote:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite"><FONT size=2>Or as some people
think, this is a conscious universe and even the non-living things have
some</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>consciousness in some way (waiting to be proved
by scientific experiments if possible).</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT
size=2>Thanks.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2> </FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>Walter.</FONT> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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