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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Thanks for a good summary and some good references:</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>One example from Bohr:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Life: a form through which matter streams. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Life: a collection of matter. </FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>We customarily think of the outside world as separate from ourselves, </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>and the boundary between the two is the surface of our skin. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>However, think of a blind person who gets around with the assistance of a cane. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>In time that person will probably treat the cane as part of his or her body, </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>and will think of the outside world as beginning just at the tip of the cane. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Now imagine the blind man's sense of touch extending out of the tip of the cane </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>and into the roadway itself. Imagine it extending further, down the block, into the countryside, to the whole world. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>There is no point where the blind man ends and the world begins. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Similarly, we can not say which is the system and which is us observing it.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>This is the heart of the Copenhagen Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>So I always think the so-called grand unified theory of 4 forces is really missing some very important </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>ingredients consisting of life or consciousness.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>There is really something missing.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Thanks.</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Walter.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org [<A HREF="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org">mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</A>] On Behalf Of scerir</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 11:00 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>To: ExI chat list</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] Cramer on Afshar</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>> The more you reveal one, the less the other.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <A HREF="http://www.upscale.utoronto.ca/GeneralInterest/" TARGET="_blank">http://www.upscale.utoronto.ca/GeneralInterest/</A></FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Ops. The link should be</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2><A HREF="http://www.upscale.utoronto.ca/GeneralInterest/Harrison/Complementarity/CompCopen.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.upscale.utoronto.ca/GeneralInterest/Harrison/Complementarity/CompCopen.html</A></FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>See the Chinese traditional Yin-Yang Symbol,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>and related 'smooth transition', into</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Bohr's Coat of Arms.</FONT>
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