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Seriously, between the fish anti-freeze proteins, conventional
solvents/cryo adjuvants , anti neural oxidative deterioration chemical
prepping and the frog chemistry there should be good fuel to improve
upon the cryo art.<br>
<br>
At very least lets get some groundhogs frozen over a winter and bring
"Punksatoney Pete" back with a real bang to<br>
see his shadow. Then follow the little beasties through a year and
freeze the whole family.<br>
Procreate them a couple of generations to increase the numbers and
sell 50% off to chinese customers as "Rip Van winkle" <br>
designer pets. The Chinese have a fondness for gophers as pets. Make
pet cryonics a money making cottage industry.<br>
Remember Artificial Insemination was used for cows for decades before
it arrived on the people scene.<br>
<br>
By the way I saw a story on a sat feed about 20 years ago of a CO2
cooled helmet to rapidly cool the brain<br>
to beat the 4 minute factor from body temp to 32.<br>
<br>
If that plus a tank of Ice Water was set so the cryonaut or his/hers
appointed pushed the process start button<br>
one might hope to have the body in a condition where is could be easily
resuscitated .<br>
If one is terminal with less than a couple of months left that would be
a better time to start the process than after<br>
the body has shut itself down naturally.<br>
<br>
MFJ<br>
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<pre>Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] freezing frogs
> Anyone here live in the Virginia area, could you
> find one of these guys, or preferrably a breeding
> pair? Or failing that, does anyone here know where
> we could buy some of these things? I can think of a
> lot of experiments I would like to do on them.
Just admit it Spike, you want to use them as ice cubes for cocktail parties.
So much entertainment value to be had here...
j. andrew rogers
Well yes, I did say "a lot of experiments." The old
frog-in-the-punchbowl trick would be a terrific party
gag. (Hey cool, unintended double meaning.) {8^D
I want to get a bunch of them, freeze them all at the
same time, then thaw one out each day to see if there
is a time limit. Do they get freezer burn? Do they
take on the flavor of other foods? Can you take them
down to lower temps than the freezer? Will houseguests
gross out? Can you refreeze them? How many times?
What if you set the freezer to just below freezing,
can you leave them longer? Does it matter if they
freeze quickly or slowly? How cold can we make them
and still get them back? Can we thaw them in the
microwave? Can we freeze the frog eggs? Can we take
them to liquid nitrogen temperatures? That kinda stuff.
You can see why these are important questions.
spike
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