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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Samantha wrote:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>> </FONT>A foetus only becomes a child if the
woman carrying it</DIV>
<DIV>> decides that is her wish.</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">That would be *generally* true now, in 2005,
because so far</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">as I know the word foetus extends from after day
56 (end of</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">week 8) up until the time of birth which could be
nine months</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">later.</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">But it is not always true because sometimes women
may</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">have accidents or fall into unconsciousness and
then a </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">foetus can be brought into the world by inducement
or</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">by caesarean, rather than at the wish of the
woman. </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">You asked who was saying the more extreme things?
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Mike was in my opinion. But Mike is not only
about</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">saying controversial things, he has on this issue
quite</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">a while ago made some good points, perhaps they
just</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">tend to get overlooked sometimes because of how he
says</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">them. </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Given that a foetus is the term used to describe
even </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">a human entity in the six to nine month period
prior to birth,</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">at least some of which time that foetus has a
capacity to live</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">independently of the mother, then I think it is
fair, and indeed</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">appropriate to have a discussion (here if we are
mature enough</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">for it and in other forums including in the
parliaments and</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">congress whether we are mature enough for it or
not because</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">policy is going to be set there) about what rights
that human</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">entity ought have morally and legally and I think
it is fair that</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">the males in a civil society be entitled to
participate in that</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">discussion and in the formulation of policy. Males
as members</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">of society have rights and obligations and issues
to work through</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">with respect to how human entities at different
ages ought be </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">treated too. </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">I don't think that you disagree with this
Samantha. I certainly can't</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">recall you saying anything that implied you did.
Mike has actually</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">advocated for males to be involved in the policy
side. He's advocated</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">in a Mike like way but imo the purpose of his
advocacy is</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">not wrong for that, just less effective than it
might have been. </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Brett Paatsch</DIV></BODY></HTML>