<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><BR><DIV><DIV>On Aug 8, 2005, at 5:22 AM, Brian Lee wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">From: Samantha Atkins <<A href="mailto:sjatkins@mac.com">sjatkins@mac.com</A>></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">To: ExI chat list <<A href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</A>></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] can't war protesters do better?</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 03:21:30 -0700</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On Aug 8, 2005, at 2:25 AM, Brian Lee wrote:</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I find it comical that you harangue the red staters for being<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>stupid and then express your own stupidity by calling them "country- bumpkin citizens of dumbf*ckistan".</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">There's a name for those who can't understand the viewpoints of<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>others: fundamentalists.</DIV> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Sorry, but no.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>That is not the meaning of "fundamentalist".</DIV> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Yes, it is actually. In this case, the source providing the Truth is himself. He does not consider the opinions of others when making decisions. Throw up your definition of fundamentalist, maybe I'm just getting disconnected</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="6"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 24px;">fundamentalism</SPAN></FONT><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Hiragino Mincho Pro" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"> |ˌfəndəˈmentlˌizəm|</SPAN></FONT><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"> |ˈfəndəˌmɛn(t)lˈɪzəm| |fʌndəˌmɛnt(ə)lɪz(ə)m|</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;">noun</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;">a form of Protestant Christianity that upholds belief in the strict and literal interpretation of the Bible, including its narratives, doctrines, prophecies, and moral laws.</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Lucida Grande" size="3"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">• </SPAN></FONT><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;">strict maintenance of ancient or fundamental doctrines of any religion or ideology, notably Islam.</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;">Not considering the opinion of others is not part of the definition.</SPAN></FONT></DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Baskerville" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><BR></SPAN></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">You're acting like a fundamentalist in your belief that you are<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>correct and tons of others are wrong. It goes both ways. I think<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>calling 51% of the US idiots is no way to further your cause.</DIV> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Over 70% of Americans believe in literal miracles and think evolution<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>is bunk.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>Clearly more than 51% of Americans are in fact idiots.</DIV> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">No, this doesn't mean they are idiots. It just means they have an incorrect view on miracles/evolution. I once worked with a content director who was in the habit of saying stuff like "Who was the fucking idiot who misspelled 'the' on the main page". An error does not create an idiot (especially when made by a CS graduate from Yale who was pretty smart).</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV>I stand corrected in that the definition of idiot includes actual low intelligence. So what is a good word for the apparent majority of the population which is (largely willingly) clinging to indefensible BS? It is not that they have honest incorrect views. There is a huge defense racket to preserve those notions regardless of any and all evidence, argument or logic. They are functionally dumb.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>- samantha</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV></BODY></HTML>