<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 11/7/05, <b class="gmail_sendername">Jack Parkinson</b> <<a href="mailto:isthatyoujack@icqmail.com">isthatyoujack@icqmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>Dirk wrote:<br>>one of the fundamental features of real integration is intermarriage.<br>>For example, our Black population is intermarrying at an estimated 25-40%<br>>per generation.<br>>Why isn't this happening with Moslems?
<br><br>I agree about intermarriage - this is an absolute hallmark of true<br>integration. However it takes a generation or two to achieve. While the<br>parents have the hang ups and cultural prejudices - the kids just do what
<br>comes naturally.</blockquote><div><br>
If anything there has been a bigger Moslem population in Britain than a Black one.<br>
It has nothing to do with length of time in this case.<br>
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</div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Interesting examples - Afghan (Moslem) camel trains opened up the interior<br>of Australia a century or more ago - and Moslems were the founding fathers
<br>and respected elder citizens of pioneer towns like Alice Springs. The<br>Liddle family which owns vast tracts of Central Australia today (truly<br>Texas-sized vast) is directly descended from these pioneers and is Afghan,
<br>Scots and Aboriginal (in about equal proportions).</blockquote><div><br>
That's partly because they had no choice but to intermarry - or not marry at all.<br>
There wasn't a large enough immigrant Moslem pool to 'keep to
themselves', nor could they import more Moslems in the space of a few
hours journey through arranged overseas marriages.<br>
</div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">The trouble is - remarks like:<br><br>>It wasn't Blacks who blew up the trains in London.
<br><br>Fall quite clearly into the 'hate' category as far as I can see... This kind<br>of generalized remark about an entire group simply makes the ignorant<br>assumption of homogeneity where heterogeneity demonstrably exists.
</blockquote><div><br>
So, who blew up the trains?<br>
Was it little old white ladies? <br>
However, I think I can stand behind the statement that 'not a single Black citizen bombed the trains in London'.<br>
</div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Any statement that begins: 'All Moslems/blacks/Irish/Poles... (insert<br>favorite despised minority here) is just a confession of personal prejudice,
<br>bigotry and ignorance...</blockquote><div><br>
Well, death to your straw man - because I didn't say 'all'.<br>
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</div><br></div>Dirk<br>