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<DIV dir=ltr align=left>On Nov 19, 2005, at 1:57 AM, gts wrote:</DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>Truth is, I opened this thread to test the waters and find out
it if my old extropian friends are as opposed to the ID movement as I am.
I've been away from this discussion list for a couple of years.<BR><BR>Is
there a consensus here on this subject?<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR>Unless you rename "Intelligent Design" to "Simulation Argument". If
the "Intelligent Designer" is a computer simulator, and all creation is a
simulation, then you will not find quite as strong or as univerasal opposition
among transhumanists. Many can and do argue that we must at least consider the
possibility that we are living inside a simulation created by some intelligent
design. How this differs from ID, I don't see. But many transhumanists do
believe in ID in the guise of the Simulation
Argument.<BR><BR><?smaller>--<BR>Harvey Newstrom
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<DIV><SPAN class=386170919-19112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2><STRONG>This is one of the problems with teaching intelligent
design in an science</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=386170919-19112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2><STRONG>class -- whatever evidence there might be would NOT likely
point to some</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=386170919-19112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2><STRONG>particular mythology but rather to scientific explanations for
who/what</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=386170919-19112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2><STRONG>might be designing or 'running' our world and these would likely
arrive at</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=386170919-19112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2><STRONG>the explanation of a computer simulation by "godlike
scientists" (from our</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=386170919-19112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2><STRONG>point of view) or perhaps a young god-like being playing
with the "universal</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=386170919-19112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2><STRONG>simulator program" he just received for
his birthday....</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=386170919-19112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=386170919-19112005><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Explained scientifically, ID would make just about everyone who
</FONT></STRONG></SPAN><SPAN class=386170919-19112005><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>is arguing </FONT></STRONG></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=386170919-19112005><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>for its teaching <U>really angry.</U></FONT></STRONG></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=386170919-19112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=386170919-19112005><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>--</FONT></STRONG></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=386170919-19112005><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Herb Martin</FONT></STRONG> </SPAN></DIV></BODY></HTML>