<p class="MsoPlainText" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-FAMILY: ???; mso-bidi-font-family: ???"><font size="2">There are three possibilities as regards the 'qualia' question:</font></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-FAMILY: ???; mso-bidi-font-family: ???"><font size="2"> </font></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-FAMILY: ???; mso-bidi-font-family: ???"><font size="2">(1) Qualia are a separate substance which can exist independently of the material world (substance dualism)
</font></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-FAMILY: ???; mso-bidi-font-family: ???"><font size="2"> </font></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-FAMILY: ???; mso-bidi-font-family: ???"><font size="2">(2)<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>'Qualia' is simply a misnomer - all that exists are physical processes (materialism)
</font></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-FAMILY: ???; mso-bidi-font-family: ???"><font size="2"> </font></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-FAMILY: ???; mso-bidi-font-family: ???"><font size="2">(3)<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>'Qualia' themselves are not physical, but they are entirely *caused by* and *dependent on* physical processes (non-reductive physicalism)
</font></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-FAMILY: ???; mso-bidi-font-family: ???"><font size="2"> </font></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-FAMILY: ???; mso-bidi-font-family: ???"><font size="2">(1) Seems to have been largely ruled out by modern science but options (2) and (3) are still very much alive.
<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Daniel Dennett would be an example of someone who champions (2), David Chalmers an example of someone who champions (3).</font></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-FAMILY: ???; mso-bidi-font-family: ???"><font size="2">---</font></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-FAMILY: ???; mso-bidi-font-family: ???"><font size="2">As regards bets on qualia, in an earlier thread) and threw out my idea for future historians.
</font></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-FAMILY: ???; mso-bidi-font-family: ???"><font size="2">---</font></span></p>
<div style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 1pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: windowtext 1pt solid; mso-element: para-border-div; mso-border-bottom-alt: solid windowtext .75pt">
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-border-bottom-alt: solid windowtext .75pt; mso-padding-alt: 0cm 0cm 1.0pt 0cm">
<span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-FAMILY: ???; mso-bidi-font-family: ???"><font size="2">Of course, I believe in option (3).<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>I'm sure that whilst qualia are *generated by* physical processes, qualia themselves are not material.
<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>My solution to the qualia puzzle was that time is three dimensional and consciousness is simply a process on a 'higher dimensional' time-line.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>
This certainly has everyone around the transhumanist lists thinking I'm a nut and a crank.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>None the less, it seems perfectly obvious to me at least that time is indeed three dimensional.
</font></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-border-bottom-alt: solid windowtext .75pt; mso-padding-alt: 0cm 0cm 1.0pt 0cm">
<span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-FAMILY: ???; mso-bidi-font-family: ???"><font size="2"> </font></span></p></div>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-FAMILY: ???; mso-bidi-font-family: ???"><font size="2"> </font></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-FAMILY: ???; mso-bidi-font-family: ???"><font size="2">So either I'm gonna get seriously 'cream pied' as one of the lists biggest arses/cranks, or I'm gonna go down as the guy that gave a correct answer to the qualia puzzle in my spare time using only intuition, where 2000 years of scientists and philosophers before me failed :D
</font></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-FAMILY: ???; mso-bidi-font-family: ???"><font size="2"> </font></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-FAMILY: ???; mso-bidi-font-family: ???"><font size="2">Before I was playing puzzles as a game. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>This time I'm playing for the entire observable universe. How's that for high stakes? ;)
</font></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-FAMILY: ???; mso-bidi-font-family: ???"><font size="2"> </font></span></p><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: ???; mso-bidi-font-family: ???; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: KO; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">
My advise:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Always bet on Geddes. </span><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>To see a World in a grain of sand, <br>And Heaven in a wild flower, <br>Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand <br>
And Eternity in an hour. <br>-William Blake<br><br>Please visit my web-site:<br><a href="http://www.riemannai.org/">http://www.riemannai.org/</a><br>Sci-Fi, Science and Fantasy