<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 11/28/05, <b class="gmail_sendername">Brent Allsop</b> <<a href="mailto:allsop@extropy.org">allsop@extropy.org</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br><br>Robin Hanson,<br><br>> But how will you know *that* you are effing? Say we find some weird<br>> particle<br>> that interacts with brains and correlates with states of awareness. Say<br>> with<br>> the help of such particles we let you and your wife mix up your minds, so
<br>> that your brain gets input directly from her brain. How will you know<br>> this<br>> isn't just some fancy hookup to her brain-as-computer that allows you to<br>> treat her as a video game? How will you know you are accessing her
<br>> qualia?<br><br>You are right, strictly speaking, effing, alone will not let you know with<br>absolute surety that you have the right phenomenal property in the<br>destination mind.<br><br>You are hypothesizing that qualia will correlate with "some weird particle"
<br>that we find. I am hypothesizing that it will be an additional to causal<br>property of matter (particles?) we already causally know about which<br>correlates to phenomenal properties. Whatever qualia turns out to be - the
<br>effing answers below will still be the same.</blockquote><div><br>
Direct interaction with the Platonic Realm posited by Penrose?<br>
Or a combination of such an idea with the All Universes Hypothesis by Tegmark.<br>
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Dirk <br>
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