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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=641095114-29112005><STRONG>To Spike and Dirk:</STRONG></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=641095114-29112005><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN
class=641095114-29112005>Spike wrote (earlier):<BR>> >
</SPAN>recreationals, but not to LSD. The 60s are over, it was
bad</SPAN><BR><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN
class=641095114-29112005>>> </SPAN>medicine then, still is now. Put
that stuff away, too dangerous.</SPAN></STRONG></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=641095114-29112005><STRONG>Dirk wrote:</STRONG></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><FONT color=#000000><FONT size=3><SPAN
class=641095114-29112005>> </SPAN>I disagree.<BR><SPAN
class=641095114-29112005>> </SPAN>IMO the benefits far outweigh the possible
dangers.<BR><SPAN class=641095114-29112005>> </SPAN>I'd also say that when it
comes to damage most other drugs are worse - and this certainly includes
alcohol.</FONT></FONT></FONT><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=641095114-29112005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2><STRONG>What dangers? Compare any supposed
'possible dangers' to smoking<BR>drugs (marijuana, tobacco) or to other
drugs ingested orally such<BR>as alcohol etc.... (both legal and commonly
acceptable.)</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=641095114-29112005><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></STRONG></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=641095114-29112005><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Seriously: I once did a thorough review of the
academic literature<BR>of LSD "dangers" and found that there were practically
none (except</FONT></STRONG></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=641095114-29112005><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>for the obvious issues with operating automobiles and
heavy machinery),</FONT></STRONG></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=641095114-29112005><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>and </FONT></STRONG></SPAN><SPAN
class=641095114-29112005><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>that most
of the supposed problems were actually urban myths.</FONT></STRONG></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=641095114-29112005><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></STRONG></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=641095114-29112005><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>So please be specific if you know of actual problems
stemming directly</FONT></STRONG></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=641095114-29112005><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>from such use...</FONT></STRONG></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=641095114-29112005><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></STRONG></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=641095114-29112005><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Of course one might make the argument that it is bad merely
because<BR>it is illegal, but then marijuana (etc) must be treated
similarly.</FONT></STRONG></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=641095114-29112005><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></STRONG></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=641095114-29112005><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Note: It is dangerous due merely to illegality as one
could be sent to</FONT></STRONG></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=641095114-29112005><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>prison for many years and that is DEFINITELY a dangerous
place.</FONT></STRONG></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2> </DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=641095114-29112005>--<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2>Herb
Martin</FONT></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org
[mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Dirk
Bruere<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 29, 2005 6:17 AM<BR><B>To:</B> ExI
chat list<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Spirits (was RE: [extropy-chat] Qualia
Bet.)<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 11/29/05, <B class=gmail_sendername>spike</B>
<<A href="mailto:spike66@comcast.net">spike66@comcast.net</A>>
wrote:</SPAN>
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<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Dirk, these LSD
comments are making me squirm. If some</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">gullible soul on
this list tries the stuff and perhaps suffers</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">truly bad
consequences, are you ok with that? I wish
to</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT><BR>Yes. Everything has a price.<BR></DIV><BR>
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<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">clarify my own
previous tolerant comments towards drugs:</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">that was for
marijuana and the other well-known less dangerous </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">recreationals, but
not to LSD. The 60s are over, it was bad</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">medicine then,
still is now. Put that stuff away, too
dangerous.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT><BR>I disagree.<BR>IMO the benefits far outweigh
the possible dangers.<BR>I'd also say that when it comes to damage most other
drugs are worse - and this certainly includes alcohol.<BR><BR>Dirk
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