<DIV>No one ignores engineers. BTW, you look at engineers who became politicians, such as Herbert Hoover, Jimmuh Carter, and you see they had high ethical standards.</DIV>  <DIV>Anyway, 20 years from now, 2025, we'll still be fighting here about everything, all the time. Intellectuals were created to argue until heat death.<BR><BR></DIV>  <DIV><STRONG><EM>></EM></STRONG>Never mind the scientists, it's us engineers who actually get things done.<BR>>Dirk</DIV><p>
        
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