On 1/12/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Eliezer S. Yudkowsky</b> <<a href="mailto:sentience@pobox.com">sentience@pobox.com</a>> wrote:<div><span class="gmail_quote"></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Elrond was so focused on the obvious wrong way to solve the problem that<br>he didn't see the creative right ways. His great failure wasn't that he<br>lacked ethics, it was that he didn't know how to use them. He thought
<br>his ethics were supposed to be heroic disadvantages. If Elrond had just<br>taken for *granted* that he couldn't push Isildur off the edge, instead<br>of agonizing, he would have seen easier and better solutions.<br><br>
It won't always be that way. We don't live in so kind a universe. But<br>for Elrond it was so, even without Tolkien intending it.<br><br>Did anyone else notice this, when they read the book, or watched the movie?</blockquote>
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(Minor nitpick: the impression I had from the book was that the
conversation happened on the battlefield, not at the Crack of Doom,
though it doesn't explicitly say.)<br>
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But yes, I did, and your point is a good one - well put!<br>
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I was impressed by the following article:<br>
<a href="http://features.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=99/12/23/083256&mod%20e=thread">http://features.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=99/12/23/083256&mod%20e=thread</a><br>
Which gives a very nice positive example from real history.<br>
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- Russell<br>
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