<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><BR><DIV><DIV>On Jan 26, 2006, at 12:14 PM, Russell Wallace wrote:</DIV><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV><DIV>You said you subscribe to the view that even a perfect copy is in an important sense not the original; that's the view of identity that I refer to as "the thread view" (I'm open to suggestions from its adherents for a better name - no, "the correct view" will not be accepted ;)).<BR></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>... its the view of someone who is looking at two identical coffee mugs. =)</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Let me ask this differently.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>We make a perfect copy in every sense of the word, of item A.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><SPAN class="Apple-style-span">How many items are there now?</SPAN></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">The thread view (identity is a verb, a continuing thread of consciousness) and the pattern view (identity is an adjective; as John Clark put it, "I am the way matter behaves when it is organized in a Johnclarkian way") give the same results most of the time; the one scenario that always gets adherents of the two arguing with each other is destructive scan uploading (fine by the pattern view, semelparous suicide by the identity view). (Happily, gradual uploading is a potential way around this problem for the thread view.)<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><SPAN class="Apple-style-span">Even if I re-arrange matter in a <I>johnclarkian</I> way twice, is it John Clark, or John Clark and <I>another</I> John Clark? Two John Clarks.</SPAN></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Bret K.</DIV></BODY></HTML>