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extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org
[mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Robert
Bradbury<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 03, 2006 9:54 AM<BR><B>To:</B> ExI
chat list<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [extropy-chat] ray
gun<BR><BR></FONT></DIV></FONT></FONT>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=gmail_quote><FONT size=2>On 2/2/06, <B
class=gmail_sendername>Dirk Bruere</B> <</FONT><A
href="mailto:dirk.bruere@gmail.com"><FONT
size=2>dirk.bruere@gmail.com</FONT></A><FONT size=2>>
wrote:</FONT></SPAN><FONT size=2> </FONT>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid"><SPAN
class=q><BR></SPAN><FONT size=2>The biggest one-day slaughter in Human history
was done with swords and spears, not guns or
nukes.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><BR><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=582574917-03022006>></SPAN>Can you give us a hint?<BR><BR><SPAN
class=582574917-03022006>> </SPAN>I'd also like to see some comparisons with
the death rates </FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT size=2><SPAN class=582574917-03022006>>
</SPAN>by influenza in the early 1900's or perhaps the plague at </FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT size=2><SPAN class=582574917-03022006>>
</SPAN>various points in time in the middle ages. I suspect
that <BR><SPAN class=582574917-03022006>> </SPAN>in some cases they
swept through large populations, esp. <BR><SPAN
class=582574917-03022006>> </SPAN>in cities, quite quickly.
<BR><BR></FONT><STRONG><FONT size=2>Robert<BR></FONT></DIV></STRONG>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=582574917-03022006><FONT size=2><STRONG>The
following is not a complete answer but it does have (a lot)<BR>on the
subject:</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=582574917-03022006><FONT size=2><A
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_toll">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_toll</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=582574917-03022006><FONT size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=582574917-03022006><FONT size=2><STRONG>Most of the above
doesn't have specific "one day totals" -- some</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=582574917-03022006><FONT size=2><STRONG>battles or other
disasters go on for days, week, even years.</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=582574917-03022006><FONT
size=2><STRONG></STRONG></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=582574917-03022006><STRONG><FONT size=2>[Battle of Stalingrad
was over six months long: 1,109,000 deaths]<BR><A
href="http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/content_pages/record.asp?recordid=46252">http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/content_pages/record.asp?recordid=46252</A></FONT></STRONG></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=582574917-03022006>
<H1 class=firstHeading><FONT size=3>Three Years of Natural Disasters (China
1959-1961)<BR></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=582574917-03022006><FONT
size=3><STRONG><A
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Years_of_Natural_Disasters">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Years_of_Natural_Disasters</A></STRONG></FONT></SPAN></H1></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=582574917-03022006><FONT><FONT size=2><STRONG>This is a
candidate, since estimates range from 10-100 Million.<BR>Using 10 Million over
1000 days (3 years) we get an AVERAGE</STRONG></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=582574917-03022006><FONT><FONT size=2><STRONG>of 10,000 per day
(these are estimates of "abnormal deaths"
not</STRONG></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=582574917-03022006><FONT><FONT size=2><STRONG>just the normal
human attrition.) <BR><BR>Obviously there were good days and worse days,
and if the high</STRONG></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=582574917-03022006><FONT><FONT size=2><STRONG>estimates are
used then this is an AVERAGE of 100,000 per
day.</STRONG></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=582574917-03022006><FONT><FONT size=2><STRONG>(over three
years!!!)</STRONG></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=582574917-03022006><STRONG><FONT
size=2></FONT></STRONG></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=582574917-03022006><STRONG><FONT size=2>In July of 1959 the
Yellow River flooded and "directly killed through</FONT></STRONG></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=582574917-03022006><STRONG><FONT size=2>starvation ...or
drowning" 3 million people. If we use the
whole</FONT></STRONG></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=582574917-03022006><STRONG><FONT size=2>30 days, this averages
to 100,000 per day -- likely some days were</FONT></STRONG></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=582574917-03022006><STRONG><FONT size=2>MUCH worse than
others.</FONT></STRONG></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=582574917-03022006><FONT><FONT size=2> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><BR></STRONG></DIV></FONT>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=582574917-03022006></SPAN><FONT
size=2><STRONG>A<SPAN
class=582574917-03022006>lso</SPAN></STRONG><BR></FONT></DIV></FONT></SPAN>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><A
href="http://www.geocities.com/dtmcbride/hist/disasters-war.html"><FONT
size=2><STRONG>http://www.geocities.com/dtmcbride/hist/disasters-war.html</STRONG></FONT></A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><STRONG></STRONG></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>List of Roman battles<SPAN class=582574917-03022006> (not organized by
butchery but many</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=582574917-03022006>of the items contain the death
toll):</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=582574917-03022006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><A
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Roman_battles">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Roman_battles</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=582574917-03022006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=582574917-03022006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2><STRONG>Picking through quickly I found (knowing generally that several
of</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=582574917-03022006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2><STRONG>the Battles of Hannibal in Italy had large death
tolls):<BR></STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=582574917-03022006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2><STRONG>The Battle of Cannae (Hannibal over the Roman) was NOT the
largest</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=582574917-03022006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2><STRONG>but quite a massacre:</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=582574917-03022006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><A
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cannae"><STRONG>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cannae</STRONG></A></FONT></SPAN></DIV><!-- Converted from text/plain format -->
<P><SPAN class=582574917-03022006><FONT size=2>--</FONT></SPAN><FONT
size=2><BR></FONT><FONT size=2>Herb Martin</FONT></P>
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