<div>This is fine as a polemic, but the question is: what are you going to do about it? Nothing. It's up to law enforcement in the countries in question to take responsibility</div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div>>Western countries must protect these fundamental rights without compromise,and >all the more reason ! to do so when the enemies of freedom brandish death threats >and threaten violence. It is unacceptable to concede to any threatsof violence.<BR><BR>>Some Islamic countries are even considering to request the UN to vote for<BR>>laws forbidding any texts of drawings lacking religious respect.<BR><BR>>Some westerners even try to justify these requests by equating these<BR>>caricatures to incitement to racial or religious hatred, comparing them to<BR>>the anti-semite drawings that were published in German papers during the<BR>>rise of nazi-ism.<BR><BR>But the difference between the two stands out large and clear: the<BR>anti-semite
drawings really did incite hatred towards Jews through their<BR>texts and propagated false information such as claiming that the Jews were<BR>pillaging the German economy, or sacrificing children. They did not just<BR>limit themselves to caricaturing a prophet or a god.<BR><BR>In the name of freedom of expression, so long as they don't explicitly<BR>incite violence ! or racial and religious hate, which of course should be<BR>forbidden, any other drawing and caricature which is purely humorous should<BR>be allowed, whatever the subject and whoever their target.<BR><BR>No subject should be taboo or prohibited, otherwise freedom of expression<BR>ceases to exist and the demon of religious or political censorship rears<BR>its ugly head. For sure any explicit incitement to hatred or violence<BR>against any religion or ethnic group should be severely punished by law,<BR>but the right to laugh, and to laugh at anything without exception should<BR>not be touched.<BR><BR>But the problem that
this affair raises is in fact much deeper and serious<BR>than that. We are presently seeing what I had prophesised a couple of<BR>decades ago in one of my texts where I was warning the western world to get<BR>ready to defend its fundamental rights against the influence of other<BR>countries still living in the middle ages.<BR><BR>What we have is the confrontation of two civilisations: a modern and<BR>liberated one clashing with another one trailing behind by a couple of<BR>centuries due to lack of education and science, still stuck in<BR>superstitions, under the grip of primitive beliefs and which has not yet<BR>accomplished the fundamental step of separating church and state.<BR><BR>These two civilisations are now trying to impose their "values" on each<BR>other. The confrontation of these two value systems is irresolvable,<BR>especially when the less advanced one has such tenacious paradigms that<BR>they are fanaticising to the extreme and which prevents them from seeing<BR>the
truth.<BR><BR>But the greatest danger is if the modern world makes concessions to the<BR>primitive one. That will be a victory of obscurantism over science and<BR>freedom.<BR><BR>It is the less advanced society which must progress and not the other way<BR>round. On the contrary, the western world must continue to accelerate its<BR>progressive reforms which allow i! t to completely destroy the last<BR>puritanical and conventional traces inherited from the oppressive<BR>judeo-christian traditions. Among other things would be the acceptance of<BR>cloning, stem-cells and genetically modified organisms.<BR><BR>If muslims refuse to eat pork, that is their right, but they don't have the<BR>right to impose this dietary regime on the rest of the world. That they<BR>refuse to represent their prophet Mohamed is also their right, but neither<BR>should they impose this rule on non muslims.<BR><BR>And if the modern world accepted to limit its own freedom of expression to<BR>placate the
sensitivities of muslims, then they are entering the slippery<BR>slope of a return back to the dark ages.<BR><BR>Not only should the western world refuse to be influenced by the primitive<BR>world, but they must do all they can via the promotion of education and use<BR>of modern medias such as satellite TV or the internet, to help the<BR>primitive societies to liberate th! emselves from the yoke of their<BR>retrograde religion and to realise a true separation of their church and<BR>state which western nations enjoy today.<BR><BR>And the modern world should concede none of its liberties and protect<BR>itself from the threats of violence perpetrated by the fanatics.<BR><BR>Though the Raelian philosophy promotes absolute non violence, it also<BR>promotes the right to legitimate self-defence, if necessary by force, but a<BR>reasonable force aimed at reducing their attackers to powerlessness rather<BR>than killing them.<BR><BR>And though we condemn all military attacks, such as the
illegal invasions<BR>of Afghanistan and Iraq by the US, that does not mean that we recommend<BR>total inaction in the face of criminal cowardice which would allow medieval<BR>forces to destroy the freedom of the modern world and murder its citizens.<BR><BR>The western world should develop weapons to specifically protect itself<BR>from fanatical attacks of those who don't tolerat! e our rights and freedom.<BR><BR>It is important to compare the basic differences of these two clashing<BR>societies in order to understand the differences and bad faith that these<BR>defenders of medieval cultures use to seduce us into taking a step<BR>backwards. Here are a few examples out of many:<BR><BR>The right to apostatise:<BR>In the western countries, in accordance with human rights, people are free<BR>to apostatise from their religion, either to convert to another or just to<BR>become atheist and renounce all belief in a god. But in most Islamic<BR>countries, in total disregard to these human
rights, such apostasy is<BR>illegal and the law can condemn anyone to death if they apostatise from the<BR>Islamic religion.<BR><BR>The right to blaspheme:<BR>In western countries, people are free to blaspheme. In the Islamic<BR>countries the law can heavily condemn someone for this.<BR><BR>The right of women:<BR>In western countries, the law on gender equality enshrines equal righ! ts for<BR>women as for men on all levels.<BR>In Islamic countries, women are considered inferior, it is legal to beat<BR>them, they must wear the veil, or even worse the Burka, they are denied<BR>access to education and are not allowed to drive cars, whereas men are<BR>exempt from such restrictions.<BR>Men can practice polygamy (have several wives) whereas women cannot<BR>practice polyandry (have several husbands).<BR>Women are never considered major and depend always on the authority of<BR>either their father, husband or brother.<BR>Every year thousands of women are legally murdered with impunity by
male<BR>members of their own family in what is called "crimes of honour".<BR><BR>Gay rights:<BR>In western countries, homosexuals enjoy the same rights as heterosexuals<BR>and can even legally marry.<BR>In Islamic countries, to be homosexual means heavy prison sentences or even<BR>a sentence of death.<BR><BR>Sexual mutilation:<BR>In western countries all sexual mutilation is illeg! al, whereas in Islamic<BR>countries, excision (cutting off the clitoris) is practiced on millions of<BR>little girls every year, as well as circumcision on boys.<BR><BR>The list is almost endless.<BR><BR>Each one of these situations is intolerable and constitutes a breach of<BR>human rights. But what is all the more shocking is that muslims wish to<BR>impose these unilaterally on our modern societies.<BR><BR>For example they demand the right to build mosques in the west and to be<BR>allowed unlimited proselytism aimed at converting as many people as<BR>possible - while in the west citizens are allowed to
convert to islam - and<BR>yet in Islamic countries the construction of non Islamic churches is<BR>prohibited and anyone seeking to proselytise in the name of any religion<BR>other than islam will be condemned to a very heavy prison sentence. And<BR>anyone who tries to apostatise from islam or converts to another religion<BR>can be condemned to death. Double standards.<BR><BR>An! other example: muslims demand the right to wear the Islamic veil in<BR>western schools and can freely carry it anytime in public. But if a western<BR>woman visits an Islamic country, she has to cover her hair with an Islamic<BR>scarf and of course wearing a miniskirt would be under pain of death.<BR>Again, double standards.<BR><BR>Human rights are very clear on both of these subjects: they guarantee<BR>religious freedom, the right to convert, the right to proselytise. But this<BR>must be reciprocal: if muslims wish to enjoy freedom and rights in western<BR>countries guaranteed by the most beautiful fruit
produced by the modern<BR>world: Human Rights, then they too must imperatively respect them in their<BR>own countries.<BR><BR>As long as total reciprocity is not respected, muslims should not be<BR>allowed to enjoy the rights and freedoms of western countries that they<BR>deny to visitors in their own countries. That means that Islamic<BR>proselytism should be forbidden in the we! st as long as the proselytism of<BR>other religions, or of atheism is not legalised in Islamic countries. And<BR>the wearing of the veil or burka should be forbidden in the west as long as<BR>women are not allowed to walk about with their head naked and in<BR>mini-skirts in Islamic countries. In that way, there will be no double<BR>standards.<BR><BR>The defence of values of modern countries, especially their rights so<BR>preciously cumulated over the ages is essential particularly when they are<BR>under attack by fanatics who's religious books teach hate, crime and<BR>violence against those who are not
faithful to their religion.<BR><BR>The Koran is very clear, it says in black and white:<BR>"Kill the idolaters wherever you can find them, capture them, lay siege to<BR>them, and ambush them. But if they convert, if they give money.., then<BR>leave them in peace because Allah forgives and takes pity on them" Koran<BR>IX. 5.<BR><BR>Islam also officially encourages racism and discrimination:<BR>"Oh believers, do not befriend any Jew or Christian, because they are their<BR>own allies. He who befriends them will become like them and god will not be<BR>a guide for such a pervert" Koran V. 51.<BR><BR>Islamic sexism and the encouragement to their family violence also stems<BR>from their "sacred writings":<BR>"Men are superior to women thanks to the qualities that god gave to men to<BR>raise them above women. Reprimand those women who you fear might not obey<BR>you, banish them to separate beds and beat them" Koran IV. 34.<BR><BR>Even the life of the prophet Mohamed is considered exemplary
and sacred<BR>even though he was a pillager of caravans, or that he married Aicha when<BR>she was still a little girl of only 9 years old as the writings relate. In<BR>modern countries, to sleep with a 9 year old is called paedophilia. And<BR>don't excuse it by claiming that it was common at the time. An act of<BR>pedophilia always has and always will be a criminal ! act. Muslims cannot<BR>consider Mohamed as a model of perfection and infallibility otherwise they<BR>approve of pedophilia.<BR><BR>If the sacred books of Islam openly preach the murder of infidels, that is<BR>to say anyone who is not a muslim or is atheist, then we, who live in the<BR>west are all legitimate targets for them. The only way out of this massacre<BR>is to convert to islam and that is what they officially announce. In fact<BR>the Koran clearly states that muslims should convert the whole planet to<BR>islam and kill all those who refuse this conversion. It is high time for<BR>the free world to become aware of
this reality taught by 1.3 billion<BR>muslims, that is to say about a quarter of the world population.<BR><BR>Some people claim that that only fanatics interpret the Koran in this way<BR>and that the majority of muslims interpret it in a more tolerant way and<BR>don't apply such outdated rules. That is possible, but nevertheless, it is<BR>the fanatics who at any opportunity drag the rest of the muslim world, even<BR>the more tolerant, back to the "righteous path" by obliging them to apply<BR>in full what is called the "word of god".<BR><BR>And every day, millions of young muslims around the world go to Koran<BR>school which continue to teach these incitations to hatred and crime. For<BR>sure they are not taught to interpret with tolerance or look at the larger<BR>picture. Since it is the word of god transmitted by the prophet, such a<BR>word by definition cannot be interpreted in a lighter way, it has to be<BR>applied in its integrality. What is written is written.<BR><BR>The only
solution to the problem is to prohibit any religion which teaches<BR>violence and racial, religious or ethnic hate. We would never accept any<BR>political party which promotes such a policy, it would be immediately<BR>forbidden. So why accept it from a religion which conditions the behaviour<BR>of the young generation far more than a political party does?<BR><BR>Therefore we should forbid islam as long as it continues to teach such<BR>illegal horrors around the world. The only way that islam could escape such<BR>a prohibition would be if its directors accept to censure its religious<BR>texts and remove the passages which incite to crime. In that way, muslims<BR>will prove their good faith and be able to join the international community<BR>where only those religions which incite tolerance will be able to live in<BR>harmony and mutual respect.<BR><BR>The UN must immediately initiate an international committee to censure<BR>religious writings (all religious writings) to ensure they
conform to human<BR>rights and to once and for all remove all the passages which infringe upon<BR>them.<BR><BR>As long as that is not done, islam should be <BR>declared illegal in western countries and Islamic <BR>schools and places of such cult where these <BR>abominations are taught every day, should be <BR>forbidden as the breeding grounds o! f the terrorists and criminals of<BR>tomorrow<BR><BR><BR>The modern and free world must protect its freedom, if necessary by force,<BR>but once again with the least violent force to ensure the legitimate<BR>defence of its values.<BR><BR>The scientific advance enjoyed by the west allows it to protect itself<BR>militarily and in a most non violent way from the fanatics who wish to<BR>bring it back to the middle ages. This advance should be maintained so that<BR>even if the Islamic fundamentalists largely outnumber the western<BR>population, they remain incapable of presenting a threat to the modern<BR>world.<BR><BR>A long time ago, islam
already invaded spain and a part of france before<BR>being pushed back militarily, which shows that the west is not the only one<BR>guilty of invading sovereign states such as Afghanistan or Iraq. If Islamic<BR>fundamentalists had the means technologically and militarily, there is no<BR>shadow of a doubt that they would invade the western world tod! ay and try<BR>and exterminate all those who don't convert to Islam.<BR><BR>And this they would do using a list of false pretences: because the western<BR>world had previously colonised the muslim world which left them with a<BR>desire for vengeance, because they think that the western world pillaged<BR>their oil riches, because they resent the western world for having stolen<BR>their Palestinian territories to create the state of Israel, because they<BR>are occupying Afghanistan and Iraq, etc, but all these are just false<BR>excuses: the truth is that their religion teaches them to convert the whole<BR>planet and exterminate all those
who refuse to convert, the infidels and<BR>the atheists as their invasion of some parts of Europe a few centuries ago<BR>has already proved.<BR><BR>This philosophy of world dominance to create a "kingdom of god" on earth<BR>is what is the most dangerous. And the western world cannot accept that<BR>every day millions of young children are conditioned ! to accept this vision<BR>of the future.<BR><BR>The violent manifestations following the caricatures of a prophet<BR>constitute just one little detail which reveals another danger. That of our<BR>own modern values and freedom being destroyed by a domination-seeking and<BR>intolerant people, and ourselves being dragged back to the middle ages.<BR><BR>For these reason, modern societies should protect their values and<BR>fundamental rights, without making the slightest concession, if necessary<BR>by the use of force, arming themselves by developing new technologies so as<BR>to preserve sufficient advance to remain invincible, in the face
of all the<BR>primitive and obscurantist forces of the planet.<BR><BR>RAEL<BR><BR>www.rael.org<BR><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>extropy-chat mailing list<BR>extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org<BR>http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat<BR></div> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"><BR> <div> <HR SIZE=1> Brings words and photos together (easily) with<BR><A href="http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/PMDEF3/*http://photomail.mail.yahoo.com">PhotoMail </A>- it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail._______________________________________________<BR>extropy-chat mailing list<BR>extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org<BR>http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><p>
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