To start this conversation out on some "firm" ground (Mike/Spike) I went back to Wikipedia [1], and looked up Carbon-14 dating [2] -- it discusses the fact that C-14 dating is based on two different half-lives (Libby & Cambridge) which have error ranges of 30 & 40 years respectively. So question #1 would be whether if one scales the half lives (5568 & 5730) years down to ~200 years how much resolution does one lose? Question #2 would be how accurate are current mass-spec machines with respect to counting C-14 atoms? Question #3 would be how much actual C-14 is there in any remaining "static" components of now dead tortoises? I think this may be the point spike was trying to make. If the body's are in constant flux with the atmosphere then the C-14 is balanced -- so red blood cells produced in the last few months are going to reflect the C-14 in the current atmosphere. But portions of the skeleton, teeth (which I'm not sure tortoises have), and perhaps the shell may contain C-14 from when the animal first started depositing those structures.
<br><br>So for example, if I do C-14 dating from the central rings of "my" tree they should come out as much older than the C-14 dating of the outer rings of "my" tree because the carbon was fixed long ago. Of course tree-ring dating is relatively precise since the trees essentially have to grow every year. With animals it is a different story. Teeth are static (except in species such as sharks and elephants where they are replaced), bones are open to debate and shells as I have recently learned may fall into the bone category (in that they can suffer injury and be repaired). Unless one knows the turnover rate for various components of the organism and the environmental conditions (which may limit turnover rates) it may be very difficult to estimate what fraction of the carbon in a sample is "from the beginning" and what fraction is "recently deposited".
<br><br>Also, as a side note -- I have read that Addwaita was cremated (this is presumably typical for India yes???). (Raises all kinds of questions -- how can one be cremated and C-14 dated???) What an unextropic end. :-( A brain with potentially hundreds of years of memories being subjected to molecular decomposition.
<br><br>Brings up lots of questions about downloading... I wonder what it was like to live in Lord Robert Clive's garden? Now I may never know...<br><br>Robert<br>---------<br><br><br>1. In case people missed it, today's Wikipedia's featured article is about "Noah's Ark" :-)
<br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah%2527s_Ark">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah%27s_Ark</a><br>which lends itself to all kinds of discussion about "popular" mythology (doctrinal vs. anecdotal) etc. somewhat related to "How old are the oldest tortoises?"
<br>2. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_14_dating">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_14_dating</a><br>