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Samantha Atkins wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">On Apr 25, 2006, at 5:54 PM, The Avantguardian wrote:
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<pre wrap="">There do seem to be a lot of reliable military UFO
reports as well as intercepted communications from
foreign military pilots regarding UFO encounters.
It is nice to see that the U.S. Intelligence agencies
DO take UFOs seriously although their official stance
is that UFOs do not SEEM to pose a threat to national
security.
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<pre wrap=""><!---->Since military pilots are "up there" more often and around more
exotic conditions and spend more time scanning the skies, I would
suspect that a disproportionate number of such reports would come
from military pilots.
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Also, an unknown number of sightings never make it to public disclosure<br>
through the NSA. I'm surprised that any reports are made by pilots,<br>
military or civilian, as these may end their careers.<br>
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<pre wrap="">That many reliable military personnel have had
encounters with UFOs, with collaborating radar
evidence seems to raise the Bayesian posterior
probability of their existense quite high in my
estimation.
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<pre wrap=""><!---->The only added datum in this paragraph is possible collaborating
radar evidence. Since I presume military pilots aren't given to
hallucination this says at best that at least some portion of things
they saw were real physical objects not transparent to radar. It
doesn't suggest these somethings where extra-terrestrial though.
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Yes, radar-visual sightings are rare. The Lakenheath, UK report from<br>
1956, I think, is the most well-known. It includes visual sightings by<br>
the pilot and observers on the ground as well as radar. A good source<br>
of scientific information is the Condon Report, flawed as it is. The<br>
New York Times published this as a paperback, "The Scientific Study<br>
of UFOs." It includes extensive review of weather phenomena such as<br>
ball lightning and mirages.<br>
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<pre wrap="">One of the more interesting tidbits of information I
found was the Gersten piece that states that "during
October, November, and December of 1975, reliable
military personnel repeatedly sighted unconventional
aerial objects in the vicinity of nuclear-weapons
storage areas, aircraft alert areas, and
nuclear-missile control facilities at [lists several
Air Force bases...] Many of the sightings were
confirmed by radar."
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I don't see anything of terrible significance about 1975. Do you?<br>
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Since military pilots spend a lot of time around military <br>
installation where these nuclear weapons, air systems and so on are <br>
it is not at all surprising that many of the sightings are around <br>
such locations. As many types of experimental aircraft also fly <br>
around such locations we may have a partial explanation of at least <br>
some sightings. Also such sites are targets for surveillance by <br>
other terrestrial parties using whatever perhaps exotic systems can <br>
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The year 1975 isn't significant unless you want to speculate about<br>
Cold War tension. These UFO sightings occurred along the northern<br>
tier of ICBM sites from the Dakotas through to Montana. These are<br>
isolated missile silos well away from major airfields and cities. Most<br>
experimental aircraft are tested in desert areas such as Nellis AFB<br>
north of Las Vegas.<br>
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IMO, the UFO phenomenon is worthy of more study. It is my conjecture<br>
that the U.S. government continues to investigate UFO reports. I did
see<br>
infrequent UFO reports in intelligence messages over the years 1970-85.<br>
Since I am one of those who held a clearance and access above Top Secret<br>
I can't divulge any details. For that matter I can't remember much
anyway.<br>
My non-disclosure agreement expires in 2053.<br>
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I do know that the message routing guide used by the Dept. of State
includes<br>
a TAG for UFO reports. One intelligence item I remember from either
1980<br>
or 1981, cited a radio intercept from a Soviet ELINT (electronic
intelligence)<br>
trawler in the Straight of Gibraltar. The message stated an object
approached<br>
at 2,000 MPH, stopped instantaneously, and a few seconds elapsed before<br>
taking off at 2,000 MPH. Peculiar if true. Maybe the Soviets were
spoofing<br>
our intelligence collection effort.<br>
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I have only two personal sightings of a UFO. One as a teenager could
have<br>
been anything. The second was a daylight sighting on 20 July 1991,
from my<br>
backyard in Sierra Vista. Our town is located next to Fort Huachuca,
Arizona.<br>
Some testing of RPVs/UAVs occurs here so "we" are familiar with what
these<br>
aircraft look like in flight. I am still puzzled by what I saw. Here
is my sighting:<br>
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"On July 20[1991] I had my second UFO sighting. The object was<br>
<pre>visible for two to three minutes around 1630 MST (2330 GMT)
moving north to south over Sierra Vista (Cochise County). It was
an inky black, flattened egg-shape with no surface detail, no
sound, and height and size unknown. The weather was overcast
with scudding clouds and mist over the nearby Huachuca Mountains
(maximum elevation is at Miller's Peak, 9,465 feet); latitude
31.33N, longitude 110.18W; wind aloft WNW. While looking at dark
clouds and lightning to the north, I at first mistook the object
for a large crow flying towards me head-on, and then for a
balloon. The object disappeared into the mist before Miller's
Peak as I observed from a lower elevation, approximately 4,700
feet."
Terry
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