<DIV>Hi Heartland,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I admit that I may be wrong about this (but I don't think I am), but it seems to me that even a single atom *must* include the time dimension. It must "have" at least 4 dimensions (and the total number of dimensions may exceed this), otherwise it is *not* an atom, it is something else if it is anything at all. I think we would agree that the hardware of the mind is made of *atoms*, so any *brain* (functional or not) must be "4-D".</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Best Wishes,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Jeffrey Herrlich<BR><BR><B><I>Heartland <velvet977@hotmail.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"><BR>> --- Heartland <VELVET977@HOTMAIL.COM>wrote:<BR>><BR>>> >> > "So, a brain is a 3-D object. Mind is a 4-D<BR>>> >> > object."<BR>><BR>>> >> Anything from 1-D to 3-D also
exists/survives in<BR>>> >> 4-D. My point is that the fundamental nature of<BR>>> >> brain structure is 3-D while mind nature is 4-D.<BR>>> >> What I mean is that a projection of the brain<BR>>> >> from 4-D to 3-D retains the same functionality<BR>>> >> of the brain but it isn't possible to go lower<BR>>> >> than 3-D and still end up with a functional<BR>>> >> brain.<BR>>> ><BR>>> ><BR>>> > But "a functional brain" occurs in time, and a<BR>>> > static brain frozen in time performs no functions.<BR>>><BR>>> What the brain *does* through matter in space and<BR>>> time is a 4-D object. There is a clear distinction<BR>>> between hardware, software, and an activity which<BR>>> both hardware and software determine. Brain is not<BR>>> the mind.<BR>><BR>><BR>> I presented an ostensible counter example to your<BR>>
claim [*] yet your response ignores it and instead<BR>> addresses a claim I never made. I never said there was<BR>> no distinction between hardware (brain) software<BR>> (mind).<BR><BR>Sorry, that's what I thought you were saying.<BR><BR>> I said there's no such thing as a brain that<BR>> has any "functionality" minus time and that brain<BR>> functions not associated with 'mind' exist as<BR>> discernable functions in time, ie, the 4th D.<BR><BR>"Functionality" is basically a "static" statement of potential ability of a brain <BR>to implement tasks that might result with emergence of mind. Functionality can only <BR>be expressed in time as 4-D mind while brain is technically only 3-D object.<BR><BR>As in any process, all the non-mind brain functions that happen in time are also <BR>4-D objects. It's just that they don't contribute directly to a mind process.<BR><BR>> Your claim seems to point in the right direction in<BR>> that mind involves what
a brain does. 'Mind' is like a<BR>> verb whereas 'brain' is more like a noun. But my point<BR>> is that the actual phenomena do not allow such a<BR>> perfect distinction. Brain functions that are not<BR>> involved in producing what we call 'mind' but that are<BR>> features that define 'brain' are also properly verb<BR>> like, or temporally embedded. So the claim atop this<BR>> post appears to be soundly falsified. ~Ian<BR><BR>My claim is that brain is 3-D and mind is 4-D. I'm not sure how the above makes <BR>that claim false. Please clarify.<BR><BR>S. <BR>_______________________________________________<BR>extropy-chat mailing list<BR>extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org<BR>http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><p>
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