On 5/29/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Eugen Leitl</b> <<a href="mailto:eugen@leitl.org">eugen@leitl.org</a>> wrote:<div><span class="gmail_quote"></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Again, asymmetrical warfare is not warfare. </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">It takes dual-use technologies<br>like nitrate fertilizer
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing</a><br>and civilian aircraft <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11%2C_2001_attacks">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11%2C_2001_attacks
</a><br>to achieve their goals of a high kill ratio with no subsequent retaliation<br>target.</blockquote><div><br>
It doesn't matter whether you want to say "asymmetrical warfare is not
warfare", the fact remains that in the Middle Ages outfits the size of
al-Qaida and their support network, under people like Genghis Khan or
Tamerlane, killed millions. In modern times a similar sized outfit
under Osama bin Laden was able to kill only a handful of thousands -
and retaliation did in fact occur.<br>
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</div>> Designer MDR pathogens are not just stories. You might be familiar with<br>
the Biopreparat effort, which, fortunately, never saw deployment.<br>
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And which was an effort mounted by an empire of several hundred million people.<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Purexing fissibles from low-burn civilian nuclear ashes to build a nuke by<br>a small group would be very different from the Manhattan project.
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</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">To make this more concrete: I personally would be able to prepare<br>such fissibles</blockquote>
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</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">A small group precipitating a firestorm event by a few concerted acts<br>of arson would be asymmetrical warfare.
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The above are all _stories_ about things that you _think_ would be
possible in theory. Concepts existing in your imagination. I'm talking
about events that have physically occurred in the real world.
Imagination is a wonderful thing, but _it is not the same as real
life_; that's the concept I keep trying to get across.<br>
</div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">> Comparable to the numbers you can kill with a bomb or a machine gun.<br><br>
Reread above sentence. You honestly don't believe this, do you?<br>
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Step outside your imagination and look at the empirical facts: people
who've set off car bombs or run amok with machine guns have clocked up
similar kill totals to murderers using knives or other low-tech
weapons: two digits, with extremely rare or unique cases running into
three digits.<br>