<DIV>Hi Stuart,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I would not be extremely surprised to later learn that *consciousness*, as distinguished from other levels of human information processing, is entirely dependent on simultaneous quantum computing of some form. Although, I'm not quite convinced that Penrose's microtubule-QC quite floats the boat (but it may). If you haven't already, check out his book: "The Emperor's New Mind".</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Best Wishes,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Jeffrey Herrlich</DIV> <DIV><BR><BR><B><I>The Avantguardian <avantguardian2020@yahoo.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"><BR><BR>--- Samantha Atkins <SJATKINS@MAC.COM>wrote:<BR><BR>> That phrase is already in use in many ways, some of<BR>> them rather woo- <BR>> woo.<BR><BR>I get less than a dozen hits for the term 'psychogenic<BR>field' on google but one of them is for
a biofeedback<BR>company called Eterna.<BR><BR>> It is not a "field giving rise to<BR>> consciousness..". <BR>> Consciousness, etc. arise from information<BR>> processing of the brain.<BR><BR>That is one hypothesis but it is by no means proven.<BR>Everything in the universe processes information to<BR>some degree or another. Why then would the brain be<BR>conscious and everything else not? Every particle-wave<BR>in existense is constantly updating its quantum state<BR>based on information from every other particle-wave in<BR>its light cone. Why are not all the atoms in the<BR>universe conscious? <BR><BR>If you answer complexity, then the Internet itself is<BR>hugely complex and does a tremendous amount of<BR>information processing, why is the Internet itself not<BR>conscious? Complexity and information processing may<BR>be pieces of the puzzle but they do not by themselves<BR>seem to suffice to explain the phenomenon. My reason<BR>for introducing the concept of
psychogenic fields is<BR>that it may facilitate the use of mathematical tools<BR>like tensor analysis to the problem of consciousness. <BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Stuart LaForge<BR>alt email: stuart"AT"ucla.edu<BR><BR>"What I am going to tell you about is what we teach our physics students in the third or fourth year of graduate school... It is my task to convince you not to turn away because you don't understand it. You see my physics students don't understand it... That is because I don't understand it. Nobody does." - Richard Feynman on QM<BR><BR>__________________________________________________<BR>Do You Yahoo!?<BR>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around <BR>http://mail.yahoo.com <BR>_______________________________________________<BR>extropy-chat mailing list<BR>extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org<BR>http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><p>
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