<DIV>Hi Lee,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Lee writes:</DIV> <DIV>"For me, it would. At least they got a few seconds before you<BR>dropped the H-bomb. Living a few seconds is better than not<BR>having lived at all!"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What can I say to this? I suppose all I can say is that you and I have polar opposite models of what is moral and what is not.<BR></DIV> <DIV>Lee:</DIV> <DIV>"Please!! To those of you in the far future who are running this<BR>simulation! JEFFREY IS OUT OF HIS MIND, AND IS NOT SPEAKING FOR<BR>THE REST OF US! This is a very *fine* simulation, thank you!<BR>It's just swell! We are so grateful!"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have not lost my mind. Of course, I can only be speaking for myself, but I was hopeful that someone might agree with me.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Lee:</DIV> <DIV>"(Psst. Jeffrey! *This* may be an ancestor simulation! Act happy!<BR>Say you're grateful!)"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>An exclaimed
whisper... I love those! :- ) [In whispers] Yes Lee, I am aware of that. And if that is correct, I will not be happy about it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Lee:</DIV> <DIV>"Not at all! For those of us lucky enough to have lives worth<BR>living, it's vastly better than just letting the machines stay<BR>powered down."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>[Back to normal volume] And what about those among us who live in agony from their first breath to their last?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Lee:</DIV> <DIV>"I consider non-existence to be a much greater infringement."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>An infringement cannot be applied against an entity that has never existed.</DIV> <DIV>Impossible.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Best Wishes,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Jeffrey Herrlich<BR><BR> <B><I>Lee Corbin <lcorbin@tsoft.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT:
#1010ff 2px solid">Jeffrey H. writes<BR><BR>> > "The answer is that remember I am *creating* those people, giving<BR>> > them an entire luxurious nanosecond in which to enjoy their<BR>> > lives, their dreams, and hopes for the purpose (before I destroy<BR>> > them). Shouldn't that go on the "good" side of the ledger?"<BR><BR>> No.<BR>> Since we are already so deep into the hypothetical: If I "created" <BR>> a Billion flesh and blood human infants and then dropped an H-bomb <BR>> directly on top of them, such that they felt no pain at all before <BR>> death, would that go on the "good" side of the ledger?<BR><BR>For me, it would. At least they got a few seconds before you<BR>dropped the H-bomb. Living a few seconds is better than not<BR>having lived at all!<BR><BR>> I still believe that ancestor simulations are themselves immoral.<BR><BR>Please!! To those of you in the far future who are running this<BR>simulation! JEFFREY IS OUT OF
HIS MIND, AND IS NOT SPEAKING FOR<BR>THE REST OF US! This is a very *fine* simulation, thank you!<BR>It's just swell! We are so grateful!<BR><BR>(Psst. Jeffrey! *This* may be an ancestor simulation! Act happy!<BR>Say you're grateful!)<BR><BR>> Now granted, not on the same level of immorality as a "Hell"<BR>> program, but still immoral.<BR><BR>Not at all! For those of us lucky enough to have lives worth<BR>living, it's vastly better than just letting the machines stay<BR>powered down.<BR><BR>> At the very least, an ancestor simulation is an extreme<BR>> infringement on the freedom of the subjects.<BR><BR>I consider non-existence to be a much greater infringement.<BR><BR>> Lee writes:<BR>> > "Yes, but as Joseph Stalin said, "the death of a single Russian<BR>> > soldier is a tragedy. But the deaths of millions are a statistic." "<BR><BR>> Now your comparing me to Stalin??? C'mon Lee, isn't that a bit<BR>> extreme? Is my position *really* that
unreasonable?<BR><BR>No, you just weren't reading me correctly! That, actually, was<BR>the most intelligent and perceptive thing Stalin ever said. The<BR>point is that a so-called "mere" statistic is a whopper of a<BR>statement about something. The deaths of millions, you see, are<BR>one tragedy multiplied by *millions*.<BR><BR>Lee<BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>extropy-chat mailing list<BR>extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org<BR>http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><p>
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