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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hello Rob, I am indeed talking about Premier and
yes GoBack did install immediately with the program. The were no options for
which parts may or may not be installed (you can see these afterwards but not
before the install). I burned the iso image to a CD from the site link I
provided, and booted from it. This was a removal tool that relieved the problem.
Once I returned to Windows I had to go into Norton and remove GoBack from the
options, which is permanent. To address your point number 2, while they are not
the same, the incompatibility is due to the false partition generated by GoBack
and my having a 5 raidcore processor (terabyte), I also have two separate
processors on my system. GoBack will not work with a raidcore. They did confirm
this with me on the phone. I don't want it to anyway so I'm glad to have it
gone and have everything working normally.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My work station is not for browsing (the web or
sending emails) like this the machine I am using to right now, I only use it to
create art and animation. It is a BOXX workstation (which must run on Windows
professional) <A
href="http://www.boxxtech.com/applications/animation_systems.asp">http://www.boxxtech.com/applications/animation_systems.asp</A> which
is a professional animation system that allows me to work in a way that an
average PC would absolutely choke on (and has in the past). You have probably
watched a lot of movies that have used BOXX to generate special effects,
broadcast work, make animations and compile movies. The reason why I wanted
Norton on my workstation is for the recovery feature, when you are working with
files in the number of thousands at one time (all the many frames of
animation) it becomes much easier to lose one. If that happens, Norton will
allow me to look a level past things that have already been emptied from the
recycle bin and recover it. This can be a lifesaver and save an entire project.
My programs do not run on anything other than windows, and I really am in love
with my programs. I attended animation school to become certified in 3D Studio
Max (which I did - and Combustion too), so it is a serious commitment.
While I understand your point, and perhaps under different conditions I
would consider them and perhaps many should, but </FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2>I am just not set up that way - I would probably have a physical reaction
like get purple spots all over my body and melt into the floor if I could not
create art and animation using my programs and my beloved BOXX..........
Gina</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Gina "Nanogirl" Miller<BR>Nanotechnology
Industries<BR><A
href="http://www.nanoindustries.com">http://www.nanoindustries.com</A><BR>Personal:
<A
href="http://www.nanogirl.com/index2.html">http://www.nanogirl.com/index2.html</A><BR>Animation
Blog: <A
href="http://maxanimation.blogspot.com/">http://maxanimation.blogspot.com/</A><BR>Craft blog:
<A
href="http://nanogirlblog.blogspot.com/">http://nanogirlblog.blogspot.com/</A><BR>Foresight
Participating Member <A
href="http://www.foresight.org">http://www.foresight.org</A><BR>Nanotechnology
Advisor Extropy Institute <A
href="http://www.extropy.org">http://www.extropy.org</A><BR>3D/Animation <A
href="http://www.nanogirl.com/museumfuture/index.htm">http://www.nanogirl.com/museumfuture/index.htm</A><BR>Microscope
Jewelry <A
href="http://www.nanogirl.com/crafts/microjewelry.htm">http://www.nanogirl.com/crafts/microjewelry.htm</A><BR>Email:
<A
href="mailto:nanogirl@halcyon.com">nanogirl@halcyon.com</A><BR>"Nanotechnology:
Solutions for the future."<BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, August 25, 2006 12:15
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [extropy-chat] Plz
help!</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 8/24/06, <B class=gmail_sendername>Gina
Miller</B> <<A
href="mailto:nanogirl@halcyon.com">nanogirl@halcyon.com</A>> wrote:</SPAN>
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<DIV>Scratch that, I called Norton, they referred me here: <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="http://service1.symantec.com/support/goback.nsf/docid/2005111514174058?Open&src=w"
target=_blank>http://service1.symantec.com/support/goback.nsf/docid/2005111514174058?Open&src=w</A></DIV>
<DIV>apparently Go Back is not compatible with raidcore.........all good
now! Gina</DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR>Gina, I hate to say it and I hope you will not mind me using you as
an example, but "All is *not* good".<BR><BR>I presume you are talking about
"Norton Systemworks Premier" [1]. As the Norton page says "GoBack" is
included with the package. Packages typically install everything unless
you select the "expert" option in which case they "may" allow you not to
install the parts you don't want. Now Norton is probably reliabile
enough to allow you paths to get out of the swamp when you fall into it (as
you seem to have). <BR><BR>The details of your message seem to suggest that
you are on the cutting edge enough to get into real trouble. You are
installing closed source system backup and scanning software from a 3rd party
onto a system which already has closed source software from multiple vendors
(Microsoft & whomever is supplying the "raid" system it sounds like
you are using) [2].<BR><BR>Now, lets start with the first problem -- Why do
you need Norton Systemworks in the first place? Are you running around
the Internet in such a "naked" condition that viruses are infecting you left
and right (I would hope that ExI list subscribers know better than
that).<BR><BR>The second problem is -- Why are you still using Windows?
Are you absolutely *sure* that the software you require or its equivalent is
not available under Linux? Even if its not there are several
virtual/emulator approaches (Wine, Parallels, Xen, VMware, etc.) which would
allow you to run Windows in a sandbox where it or the nasties it tends to
promote in the world should be unable to do undo harm to your basic system.
[3]<BR><BR>Linux is *free* (and will remain that way forever and ever).
It is also open source and so you can receive critical patches as soon as
anyone in the world makes them available -- not when some committee in Redmond
(in conjuction with its marketing people and lawyers) decide it is "safe" to
release them. The people promoting Linux aren't running around trying to
get legislatures to pass laws, or distributing software without telling people
about its capabilities, that allows them to scan all of the information on you
hard drive. Linux comes with virus scanning software (free!) if you
really need it (in 32 years of using Unix/Linux I've never needed virus
"disinfection" for those systems -- in the decade or so that I used Windows I
was careless and may have been infected a couple of times -- but I still
cleaned up the problems myself without the need for a "helping" hand.)
While Linux used to be somewhat difficult to install that is no longer the
case [4]<BR><BR>So, I'll stand on the crate in front of the audience and point
out very loudly -- if you aren't part of the solution -- you are part of the
problem!<BR><BR>Now, why is this important? Because the infection of
machines that easily enable more infections (i.e. all of those old unupgraded,
unprotected, closed source machines) are what allows SPAM to consume an
increasing fraction of Internet bandwidth and enables malicious attacks
(possibly supported by governments(!)) to take place [5]. Now some of
you may be saying, "Oh, I've got this great firewall software installed (e.g.
from Microsoft, Norton, McaAfee, etc.) that protects me from all that badness
out there on the evil Internet." Sorry [6]!<BR><BR>I will note that
whether you are running Windows *or* Linux, that because the current Web
interface that most people use involves a browser (IE, Firefox, etc.) if you
don't have Javascript disabled you are creating the *wide open door* that
those Internet nasties can sneak through. Javascript potentially enables
a foreign program from any web site you visit to run on your
computer! Not a program you explicitly wanted to run (as was the case
with those "free" software utilities that people naively downloaded and ran
when the WWW was still a relatively safe place to play) but programs that you
don't even see. If said programs are clever enough they may sit,
quietly... waiting... until your birthday next year when they will spring to
life and demand at least 3, maybe 4 figures from you being sent by Western
Union to a pickup point in Nigeria before they will turn over the password
required to decrypt your hard drive. (You don't really expect the password to
work do you?). As is pointed out in [7] by Stefan Wolf,<BR><BR>
<DIV style="MARGIN-LEFT: 40px">"The primary gateway into the browser is
JavaScript," Wolf explains. Users should deactivate the program language in
their browser, or use browser extensions to define which web sites are to be
trusted to execute JavaScript."<BR></DIV><BR>Of course it would be nice if you
could be sure that certain sites can be "trusted" and could not be
compromised, for example government or military sites, but as
[8,9,10,11,12,...] point out -- that is probably an example of playing Russian
Roulette.<BR><BR>Your choice, use whatever software you want. But as the
Folding@Home team is pointing out [13] their recent efforts are devoted to
pushing the computing capacity at their disposal to 1-10 petaflops. That
*is* human brain equivalent capacity.<BR><BR>Some of you should be having
nightmares where you wake up in a cold sweat wondering if that money that you
just wired to Nigeria is going to allow the RogueAI to buy even more computing
capacity that will subsequently be used to enslave you even
further.<BR><BR>Robert<BR><BR>1. <A
href="http://www.symantec.com/home_homeoffice/products/overview.jsp?pcid=sp&pvid=nswp2006">http://www.symantec.com/home_homeoffice/products/overview.jsp?pcid=sp&pvid=nswp2006</A><BR>2.
Though I'm unfamiliar with these packages ("raid core" and GoBack), "Raid" is
a *completely* different concept with completely different implementation
details from what I suspect "Go Back" would be (a low level file version
control system). The two concepts do not perform the same function
at all.<BR>3. I personally have used Windows 2000 under Parallels under
Linux. It works quite well and seems to provide a very good protection
for my normal system. You need enough disk space and system memory to
use this approach (as is the case with Xen or VMware) but most "modern"
systems should allow one to operate this way.<BR>4. The Ubuntu version of
Linux (<A href="http://www.ubuntu.com/">http://www.ubuntu.com/</A>) is very
user friendly.<BR>5. "Tibetan Wi-Fi Website Attacked", Wired (<IMG height=1
alt="" src="http://c.lygo.com/s.gif" width=1>17 Aug 2006).<BR><A
href="http://www.wired.com/news/technology/internet/0,71617-0.html">http://www.wired.com/news/technology/internet/0,71617-0.html</A><BR> 6.
"Personal Firewalls Mostly Useless, Says Mail & Guardian"<BR><A
href="http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/24/136257">http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/24/136257</A><BR>7.
"Why home firewall software is a leaky dike"<BR><A
href="http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?articleid=275381&area=/insight/insight_tech/">http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?articleid=275381&area=/insight/insight_tech/</A><BR>8.
Google: "site hacked" gives over 3 million results.<BR>9. Rhode Island:<BR><A
href="http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/holes/story/0,10801,108199,00.html">http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/holes/story/0,10801,108199,00.html</A><BR>10.
Virgina:<BR><A
href="http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0NEW/is_2001_June_11/ai_75497725">http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0NEW/is_2001_June_11/ai_75497725</A><BR>11.
Malaysia:<BR><A
href="http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0NEW/is_2001_Jan_4/ai_68738874">http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0NEW/is_2001_Jan_4/ai_68738874</A><BR>12.
U.S. Army:<BR><A
href="http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_zdext/is_200207/ai_ziff29295">http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_zdext/is_200207/ai_ziff29295</A><BR>13.
"PS3 Client for Folding@Home Debuts, ATI GPU Version Soon"<BR><A
href="http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/24/129244">http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/24/129244</A><BR><BR></DIV></DIV><BR>
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