<br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 8/24/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Gina Miller</b> <<a href="mailto:nanogirl@halcyon.com">nanogirl@halcyon.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div>Scratch that, I called Norton, they referred me here: <a href="http://service1.symantec.com/support/goback.nsf/docid/2005111514174058?Open&src=w" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
http://service1.symantec.com/support/goback.nsf/docid/2005111514174058?Open&src=w</a></div>
<div>apparently Go Back is not compatible with raidcore.........all good now!
Gina</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>
Gina, I hate to say it and I hope you will not mind me using you as an example, but "All is *not* good".<br>
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I presume you are talking about "Norton Systemworks Premier" [1].
As the Norton page says "GoBack" is included with the package.
Packages typically install everything unless you select the "expert"
option in which case they "may" allow you not to install the parts you
don't want. Now Norton is probably reliabile enough to allow you
paths to get out of the swamp when you fall into it (as you seem to
have). <br>
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The details of your message seem to suggest that you are on the cutting
edge enough to get into real trouble. You are installing closed
source system backup and scanning software from a 3rd party onto a
system which already has closed source software from multiple vendors
(Microsoft & whomever is supplying the "raid" system it
sounds like you are using) [2].<br>
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Now, lets start with the first problem -- Why do you need Norton
Systemworks in the first place? Are you running around the
Internet in such a "naked" condition that viruses are infecting you
left and right (I would hope that ExI list subscribers know better than
that).<br>
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The second problem is -- Why are you still using Windows? Are you
absolutely *sure* that the software you require or its equivalent is
not available under Linux? Even if its not there are several
virtual/emulator approaches (Wine, Parallels, Xen, VMware, etc.) which
would allow you to run Windows in a sandbox where it or the nasties it
tends to promote in the world should be unable to do undo harm to your
basic system. [3]<br>
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Linux is *free* (and will remain that way forever and ever). It
is also open source and so you can receive critical patches as soon as
anyone in the world makes them available -- not when some committee in
Redmond (in conjuction with its marketing people and lawyers) decide it
is "safe" to release them. The people promoting Linux aren't
running around trying to get legislatures to pass laws, or distributing
software without telling people about its capabilities, that allows
them to scan all of the information on you hard drive. Linux
comes with virus scanning software (free!) if you really need it (in 32
years of using Unix/Linux I've never needed virus "disinfection" for
those systems -- in the decade or so that I used Windows I was careless
and may have been infected a couple of times -- but I still cleaned up
the problems myself without the need for a "helping" hand.) While
Linux used to be somewhat difficult to install that is no longer the
case [4]<br>
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So, I'll stand on the crate in front of the audience and point out very
loudly -- if you aren't part of the solution -- you are part of the
problem!<br>
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Now, why is this important? Because the infection of machines
that easily enable more infections (i.e. all of those old unupgraded,
unprotected, closed source machines) are what allows SPAM to consume an
increasing fraction of Internet bandwidth and enables malicious attacks
(possibly supported by governments(!)) to take place [5]. Now
some of you may be saying, "Oh, I've got this great firewall software
installed (e.g. from Microsoft, Norton, McaAfee, etc.) that protects me
from all that badness out there on the evil Internet." Sorry [6]!<br>
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I will note that whether you are running Windows *or* Linux, that
because the current Web interface that most people use involves a
browser (IE, Firefox, etc.) if you don't have Javascript disabled you
are creating the *wide open door* that those Internet nasties can sneak
through. Javascript potentially enables a foreign program from
any web site you visit to run on your computer! Not a
program you explicitly wanted to run (as was the case with those "free"
software utilities that people naively downloaded and ran when the WWW
was still a relatively safe place to play) but programs that you don't
even see. If said programs are clever enough they may sit,
quietly... waiting... until your birthday next year when they will
spring to life and demand at least 3, maybe 4 figures from you being
sent by Western Union to a pickup point in Nigeria before they will
turn over the password required to decrypt your hard drive. (You don't
really expect the password to work do you?). As is pointed
out in [7] by Stefan Wolf,<br>
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<div style="margin-left: 40px;">"The primary gateway into the browser is JavaScript," Wolf explains.
Users should deactivate the program language in their browser, or use
browser extensions to define which web sites are to be trusted to
execute JavaScript."<br>
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Of course it would be nice if you could be sure that certain sites can
be "trusted" and could not be compromised, for example government or
military sites, but as [8,9,10,11,12,...] point out -- that is probably
an example of playing Russian Roulette.<br>
<br>
Your choice, use whatever software you want. But as the
Folding@Home team is pointing out [13] their recent efforts are devoted
to pushing the computing capacity at their disposal to 1-10
petaflops. That *is* human brain equivalent capacity.<br>
<br>
Some of you should be having nightmares where you wake up in a cold
sweat wondering if that money that you just wired to Nigeria is going
to allow the RogueAI to buy even more computing capacity that will
subsequently be used to enslave you even further.<br>
<br>
Robert<br>
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1. <a href="http://www.symantec.com/home_homeoffice/products/overview.jsp?pcid=sp&pvid=nswp2006">http://www.symantec.com/home_homeoffice/products/overview.jsp?pcid=sp&pvid=nswp2006</a><br>
2. Though I'm unfamiliar with these packages ("raid core" and GoBack),
"Raid" is a *completely* different concept with completely different
implementation details from what I suspect "Go Back" would be (a low
level file version control system). The two concepts do not
perform the same function at all.<br>
3. I personally have used Windows 2000 under Parallels under
Linux. It works quite well and seems to provide a very good
protection for my normal system. You need enough disk space and
system memory to use this approach (as is the case with Xen or VMware)
but most "modern" systems should allow one to operate this way.<br>
4. The Ubuntu version of Linux (<a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/">http://www.ubuntu.com/</a>) is very user friendly.<br>
5. "Tibetan Wi-Fi Website Attacked", Wired (<img alt="" src="http://c.lygo.com/s.gif" height="1" width="1">17 Aug 2006).<br>
<a href="http://www.wired.com/news/technology/internet/0,71617-0.html">http://www.wired.com/news/technology/internet/0,71617-0.html</a><br>
6. "Personal Firewalls Mostly Useless, Says Mail & Guardian"<br>
<a href="http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/24/136257">http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/24/136257</a><br>
7. "Why home firewall software is a leaky dike"<br>
<a href="http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?articleid=275381&area=/insight/insight_tech/">http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?articleid=275381&area=/insight/insight_tech/</a><br>
8. Google: "site hacked" gives over 3 million results.<br>
9. Rhode Island:<br>
<a href="http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/holes/story/0,10801,108199,00.html">http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/holes/story/0,10801,108199,00.html</a><br>
10. Virgina:<br>
<a href="http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0NEW/is_2001_June_11/ai_75497725">http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0NEW/is_2001_June_11/ai_75497725</a><br>
11. Malaysia:<br>
<a href="http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0NEW/is_2001_Jan_4/ai_68738874">http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0NEW/is_2001_Jan_4/ai_68738874</a><br>
12. U.S. Army:<br>
<a href="http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_zdext/is_200207/ai_ziff29295">http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_zdext/is_200207/ai_ziff29295</a><br>
13. "PS3 Client for Folding@Home Debuts, ATI GPU Version Soon"<br>
<a href="http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/24/129244">http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/24/129244</a><br>
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