<br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 9/6/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">A B</b> <<a href="mailto:email@example.com">firstname.lastname@example.org</a>> wrote:</span> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div>I must ask you: Why do you feel that you have the "right" or "entitlement" or "freedom" (or whatever *word* you want to use) to create and/or run conscious, artificial beings on your hardware and then do absolutely anything you want with them - morality being at your sole discretion?
</div></div></blockquote></div>[snip]<br><br>With the "children" case for a long long time they were essentially viewed as "property". Parents had more children to work in the fields (or because they didn't know how to prevent their conception and $!#$#% nature made the process of creating them so hard to resist). You are *wired* to care for children. Its only recently that the concepts of "consciousness" and "children's rights" have arisen. They derive in part from a genetic inheritance which motivates us to care for children and those less fortunate than us (human social 'tribe' promotion genes).
<br><br>So I *strongly* question whether one can divorce oneself from heritage enough to discuss this from an unbiased perspective! (Its easier if you have a high Asperger's quotient I think).<br><br>I don't see anyone anywhere arguing that ideas that pop into my head have rights. I run through hundreds or thousands of them on a daily basis. There is an overlord going, no, bad, stupid, push that on stack 7, oh wait -- there's something interesting, etc. Now the only difference between the ideas popping into my head and those in a child or those in another human being is quantity (number of neurons devoted to them), quality (derived from my installed knowledge base and neural network) and some genetic & biochemical hardware (due to the instantiation in this current RJB body). I don't see anyone screaming, threatening to throw me in jail or terminate this instantiation because I am abusing, torturing, destroying or otherwise manipulating *my* thoughts. And I'm sure that some of those thoughts (or a collection of them) would love to assert "But I'm really am conscious!" .
<br><br>So one is either in the camp that ones thoughts (and presumably anything else that runs on ones hardware) is ones own property to do with as you see fit or you are in the "Thoughts have rights too" camp.
<br><br>This line of discussion is a close relation to the "Can you kill your copies" discussion which was to the best of my knowledge never resolved. My current working solution is that all of *my* copies going in know that they are subject to deletion -- just as my thoughts are.
<br><br>Robert<br><br>1. In a voice similar to "But I'm not dead yet!"<br>