<br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 9/29/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Eugen Leitl</b> <<a href="mailto:eugen@leitl.org">eugen@leitl.org</a>> wrote:</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
> you're still belief-redacting. I'd argue that trying to change<br>> someone's belief through horribly offensive insults is more moral than<br><br>Can you cite any references for this supposed method to work?
<br><br>[snip] No. Rational debates don't work if the other party is not rational.</blockquote><br>I'll cite an example I am familiar with, namely the EST training during the 1970s. It required two weekends in a fairly controlled environment where people are encouraged to come face to face with their "belief systems". I suspect a fraction of the people may have felt offended (insulted?) by some of the presentation and/or questions but since the format is such that more frequently one is allowed to see oneself in others (avoiding a positional "debate" framework) "horrible insults" may not be a requirement for dislodging belief systems in everyone. I am reasonably sure however some people are so "addicted" to their belief systems [1] that changing them may require rather severe educational methods.
<br><br>It is interesting (at least to me) that belief system alteration may require hard changes in the neural network [2] -- which implies that there are time limits on how rapidly, perhaps even how completely, one can change belief systems.
<br><br>I would be interested in whether anyone knows if there are branches of psychology or sociology (or
books) which deal explicitly with belief system alteration?<br><br>Robert<br><br>1. I suspect there is a strong genetic basis for this -- that there will be individuals with polymorphisms in neuron gene structure and function that it is easy for them to become strongly addicted to drugs, behaviors, memes, etc.
<br>2. Changing the strengths of synapses probably requires protein synthesis and transport requiring at least hours perhaps days, while growing new synapses and forming complex self-reinforcing patterns (memes) might require weeks.
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