<br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 10/2/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Joseph Bloch</b> <<a href="mailto:transhumanist@goldenfuture.net">transhumanist@goldenfuture.net</a>> wrote:</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
However, I do agree with them on one overriding point; that the threat<br>posed by Islamist extremists is one which threatens the very existence<br>of the United States and Western culture as a whole, and I find that<br>ensuring the overall survival of Western civilization, which I believe
<br>to be the most conducive to achieving a PostHuman future, is paramount.</blockquote><div><br>Given that we are within a generation of a "real" posthuman future I would like to see someone propose *any* scenario through which external actions of any group with the possible exception of Russia could bring about the downfall of either the United States or Western culture. The only scenarios I can imagine are completely shooting ourselves in our feet (which the recent executive and legislative actions seem to be *slightly* leaning towards) or completely sticking our heads in the sand and not taking the necessary actions when things may be really serious.
<br><br>Yes, there are tens, maybe hundreds of millions of people who are or could be brainwashed to take action against us -- but they *do not* currently have and as far as I can run forward scenarios, *cannot* develop, the means to do "us" serious harm before we are *well* into or past the rapid change phase of the singularity.
<br><br>I believe, as Eliezer points out, that only a global pandemic due to an engineered bioweapon with significantly greater ill effects than the 1918 influenza epidemic could cause such a problem. It would be very difficult to engineer a weapon with that kind of lethality and impossible to engineer it in such a way that it would not come back and cause significant harm to ones own "tribe" [1].
<br><br>I is a case, as MC Hammer once put it, of "You can't touch this."<br><br>Robert<br><br></div>1. It is one thing to send in 1 in 100 as suicide bombers, its entirely another to sacrifice 50, 60, or 70% of ones own population to take down 70, 80, or 90% of another population. Particularly when the people left standing are likely to respond with overwhelming force.
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