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<P><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Russell Wallace wrote:</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">On 10/11/06, Jef Allbright <jef@jefallbright.net> wrote:</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">It seems like you're imagining some kind of Self that can be spread out over multiple instances. To me it seems almost a problem of semantics, but reflecting a misconception of reality: A point of view is a result of the processes producing it, not something that observes the show from some privileged position. Or am I missing your point entirely? ;-)</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Or I'm missing yours, or we're both missing each other's :) Let's see if I can try and get a handle on yours...</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">You seem to be saying that the self is an illusion, that one can say e.g. about seeing the sun rise tomorrow that infinitely many people will, infinitely many people won't, and the ratio is (some large number):1, but any statement that "_I_ will see the sun rise tomorrow" is meaningless verbiage, or at best a metaphor for an imperfect picture of objective reality. That my paradox only looks like a paradox because I'm stressing the flimsy word "self" beyond its limits, and where it seems to generate a contradiction between the objective and subjective viewpoints, the subjective one is an illusion that should be ignored. Is that a correct paraphrase of your position?</FONT></SPAN></P>
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<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">You're really losing me here. The common theme I'm seeing is that you seem to be talking about applying events outside a system (the observations of other independent observers) as if they have some effect on the output of that particular system (a particular observer). </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">I will say with certainty, and in the same sense as my earlier comments, perception of the sun "rising" is an illusion. ;-)</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">- Jef</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial"><Who feels he's reached his limit in this public forum for this day, and wishes he had something better than Outlook Quotefix when responding to HTML message on the Internet.></FONT></SPAN></P>
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