<p class="MsoNormal" dir="ltr" style="margin-left: 0.25in; text-align: left; direction: ltr; unicode-bidi: embed;"> "<b>I see Robert's statement as very powerful
because it highlights the very<br>
general principle that there is no growth without change, despite<br>
popular sentiment to the contrary.."</b><span style="font-size: 12pt;"></span><br><b><span style="background: yellow none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;">
</span></b></p><span style="background: yellow none repeat scroll 0%; font-size: 12pt; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;">Around
three months ago I have posted to this list about a new strategy of digital immortality</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> through identity capture that can be performed now,
to achieve now a good backup copy of ourselves, to increase our personal
chances of survival to the transhumanist future. <span style="background: yellow none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;">
I brought a strategy backed by <span style=""> </span>serious theories and research of the self,
like Max More, W.S. Bainbridge and Kurzweil insights, yet the final conclusions
<span style=""> </span>oblige me alone. <span style=""> </span>The argumentation raised was never<span style=""> </span>seriously related by this list participants, not
disputed earnestly, yet since then my postings to this list has been placed
into <span style=""> </span>the moderation list until now and
basically the method was ignored.</span> <span style="background: yellow none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;">Aren't some of you even here refusing to think outside
the box ? frightened by the innovation ? some participants reaction to new
scientifically based procedure of survival was conceit and unimaginative refrain
without even bothering to review the material.</span> </span>
<p class="MsoNormal" dir="ltr" style="text-align: left; direction: ltr; unicode-bidi: embed;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> if it can be shown that by
reliable self-identity capture, we can capture now the salient information
regarding the self- identity, in other words, the
identity-critical-information, that means that future information technologies
will be able to upload that information into
personalized-artificial-intelligence to the effect of your survival. This is
uploading, but not through full neural scanning but by way of identity capture,
the capture of your self identity, a process which it is claimed that can soon
be perfected and performed.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" dir="ltr" style="text-align: left; direction: ltr; unicode-bidi: embed;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">So the critical question is, can I<span style=""> </span>reliably and seriously capture my identity ?
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" dir="ltr" style="margin-left: 0.25in; text-align: left; direction: ltr; unicode-bidi: embed;"><span style="background: yellow none repeat scroll 0%; font-size: 12pt; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;">
Max More in The Diachronic Self argue that the content of
self-transformation is itself a primary component connecting our former self
with our new self phase and that<b> </b><span style=""></span>transformation content will compensate for the reduction in other connections
it causes".<span style=""> </span>From this respect it is
clarified that a person is, for a large extent, a matter of self definition</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">. <b><span style="background: yellow none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;">
Thus, I am not mainly what I am, but I am rather what I will be able to
be</span>.</b></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" dir="ltr" style="text-align: left; direction: ltr; unicode-bidi: embed;"><b><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Please check seriously for yourself,
before ignoring or ridiculing<span style=""> </span>that
opportunity, the material is clear and compelling. Death is our prime threat
and any rationally based strategy of self identity capture and survival hopefully will
not be totally overlooked by transhumanists</span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt;">. a revised edition of this option of immortality.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" dir="ltr" style="text-align: left; direction: ltr; unicode-bidi: embed;"><b><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><a href="http://davidishalom1.googlepages.com/home">http://davidishalom1.googlepages.com/home
</a>
</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" dir="ltr" style="margin-left: 0.25in; text-align: left; direction: ltr; unicode-bidi: embed;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span>Jef Allbright"<br>Philosophers have been dealing with the question of
personal identity<br>
for thousands of years already. Anyone seriously interested in<br>
discussing the topic should be familiar with previous thinking including<br>
"ship of Theseus", Max More's thesis on the "diachronic
self", and Derek<br>
Parfit's _Reasons and Persons_ in order to avoid rehashing</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" dir="ltr" style="margin-left: 0.25in; text-align: left; direction: ltr; unicode-bidi: embed;">…..two things about this topic remain interesting to
me:<br>
(1) Even after people have become quite familiar with the logical<br>
arguments, they tend to stay with whatever belief *feels* right to them.<br>
This has immense implications for effective decision-making under<br>
accelerating change, and so is of increasingly practical importance to<br>
our lives and well-being……some people have "moved up" beyond the
common-sense description of personal identity to embrace the broader
"patternist" definition but<br>
have yet to embrace an even more general description based on agency<br>
rather than physical/functional similarity. In my opinion this is where<br>
our thinking graduates from the "aha, it should be possible" stage to<br>
the more practical level of how we might deal with the social and moral<br>
ramifications of multiple instances of a personal identity.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" dir="ltr" style="margin-left: 0.25in; text-align: left; direction: ltr; unicode-bidi: embed;">as to your point about the rigorous meaning of
identity, I fully agree.<br>
That being said, within the topic of "personal identity" we are<br>
specifically allowing for the case when two objects, recognized as<br>
…..persons, appear to be *effectively* the same within a given
context.<span style=""> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" dir="ltr" style="margin-left: 0.25in; text-align: left; direction: ltr; unicode-bidi: embed;">Now, given the logical definition of 'identity', if
there is a perfect<br>
copy of my brain with all its encoded contents and possible states, that<br>
copy still lacks at least: (1) the property of being 'the original', (2)<br>
the property of being in the location that the original is, and (3) the<br>
property of being encoded on the physical substrate that the original is<br>
encoded on. Ergo, there exists at least one property that the original<br>
has but the copy lacks, and thus, by the definition of 'identity', any<br>
claim that "the original = the copy" is false</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" dir="ltr" style="margin-left: 0.25in; text-align: left; direction: ltr; unicode-bidi: embed;">Don't let what you are being get in the way of what you
might become.</p>
<ul style="margin-top: 0in;" type="disc"><li class="MsoNormal" dir="ltr" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; text-align: left; direction: ltr; unicode-bidi: embed;">Robert Bradbury wrote:<br>
> > <b><span style="background: yellow none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;">You must
be willing to give up everything</span></b><span style="background: yellow none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;">
you are for what you might<br>
> > become</span>.<span style="font-size: 12pt;"></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal" dir="ltr" style="margin-left: 0.25in; text-align: left; direction: ltr; unicode-bidi: embed;">> Excellent statement! Before I add this to my quote file with
attribution to<br>
> Robert, can anyone tell me of the existence of a more original source of<br>
> this powerful insight?<span style="font-size: 12pt;"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" dir="ltr" style="margin-left: 0.25in; text-align: left; direction: ltr; unicode-bidi: embed;">Jef Allbright" You must be willing to give up
everything<br>
.. <b>I see Robert's statement as very powerful because it highlights the very<br>
general principle that there is no growth without change, despite<br>
popular sentiment to the contrary.</b><b><span style="font-size: 12pt;"></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" dir="ltr" style="margin-left: 0.25in; text-align: left; direction: ltr; unicode-bidi: embed;">(1) Note that this is logically consistent with
what many of us have<br>
been saying; that there can be a gradient of personal identity and that<br>
there can be duplicates of personal identity.<span style="font-size: 12pt;"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" dir="ltr" style="text-align: left; direction: ltr; unicode-bidi: embed;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span>… the rate of change increases (the singularity) it is likely that only<br>
> those who adopt the path of greatest flexibility will survive.<br>
> You must be willing to give up everything you are for what you might<br>
> become: Unfortunately very very few individuals in the world today<br>
> grasp this -- they are more concerned with being who or what they<br>
> "are" than simply "being".<span style="font-size: 12pt;"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" dir="ltr" style="text-align: left; direction: ltr; unicode-bidi: embed;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></p>
<p style="text-align: left;" class="style1" dir="ltr"><strong><span style="font-size: 14pt;">"<font size="4">First they ignore you,</font></span></strong><font size="2"><b><span style="font-size: 14pt;"><br>
<strong>then they laugh at you,</strong><br>
<strong>then they fight you,</strong><br>
<strong>then you win.</strong>"<br>
<em>Mohandas Gandhi</em></span></b></font></p><div style="text-align: left;">
</div><p class="MsoNormal" dir="ltr" style="direction: ltr; unicode-bidi: embed; text-align: left;"><font size="2"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font></p>