<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: left; direction: ltr; unicode-bidi: embed;">David,
I've seen your writing, mainly on WTA-Talk,... <span style="background: yellow none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;">
<span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">For me personally, it would</span><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">
help if you would use a format that doesn't come across as a sales</span><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">
pitch. For example, if you were to make some statement (preferably</span><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">
something novel, insightful or controversial within the context of the</span><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">
extropy list), and follow it will some concise supporting statements and</span><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">
perhaps a statement as to why others might see it as significant.</span><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">
<span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">By doing so, I think you would be very likely to get a meaningful</span><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">
response.</span><br>
<br>
- Jef</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: left; direction: ltr; unicode-bidi: embed;"> David reply
to Jef Allbright:
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: left; direction: ltr; unicode-bidi: embed;">I think
you, and most transhumanist, would agree that if we could capture reliably the
identity critical information, than this information could be uploaded to
future conscious artificial intelligence, or even to a clone of the same person that carry this identity, to the outcome that the future entity carrying the same self identity as the original person. To that
second phase person I call the info-resurrected person and the claim is that A(original)
is survived in B (his duplicate) as long as they both carry the same self
identity and that they are not mutually existent. So the
critical query here is whether one can really capture now the salient
information regarding his self identity?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: left; direction: ltr; unicode-bidi: embed;">According
to most reductionist theories of the self including Max More The Diachronic
Self, the self or the person just is connectedness, continuity and the right kind of cause. connectedness means the content that
connect the different stages or phases of person's life ; continuity means the degree of change between consecutive phases of the same person and
the right kind of cause leading from a phase to its consecutive phase. In this
line of argumentation, the salient query that remains is whether we can
preserve much connectedness between the original and his duplicate? since it is
clear that we can never gather all the information about person's life,
memories, intrinsic nuances and unconscious material. Yet as is clarifies in length
in my work in the part on the transformation project see <span style=""></span><b><a href="http://davidishalom1.googlepages.com/home" target="_blank">http://davidishalom1.googlepages.com/home</a></b>
the very desire and intention to transform, to enhance and ascend oneself in
the transhuman future, is in itself a primary connectedness component that more
than compensate for some reduction in connectedness, which is inevitable anyway
if we want transformation. On this line of argumentation we can clearly
understand that the salient information regarding our self identity, which
holds much of our ideal self and transformation intention, can be personally
captured through elaborate procedure that can soon be perfected and see for
that<span style=""> </span>W.S. Bainbridge work on personality
capture.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: left; direction: ltr; unicode-bidi: embed;">I do
recommend to you Jef and others who really want to check this option of info
survival to review carefully my work albeit its imperfection. I am sure you
could gather something there. My motivation to spread this notion of
info-resurrection comes from my realization that for this procedure to be
practical and instrumental, it has to gather some social and memetic spreading.
I will be thankful if <span style=""> </span>you can issue more
concrete remarks to be answered.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: left; direction: ltr; unicode-bidi: embed;">David
Ish-Shalom</p>