<font style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" size="2"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">"Russell Wallace write: I'll add that while I still don't believe you'll
get enough detail to constitute personal immortality, this idea does have the virtue that you can do it incrementally. Start now with all the text, video, audio etc you can create. Add information as it becomes available. When personal DNAn sequencing becomes affordable, do that and add the sequence. Get a brain
</span></font> scan at highest available resolution (even if not close to uploading-grade)and put that on the site. When higher resolution becomes available, get<br><p class="MsoNormal" dir="ltr" style="text-align: left; direction: ltr; unicode-bidi: embed; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">
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another one. Etc"</span><span style=""> </span>David reply: <span style="background-image: none; background-repeat: repeat; background-attachment: scroll; background-position: 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;">
Russel what you say is important and
also remember that in ten years +- vivid and convincing simulation of real
people in the cyber space will be available and people will tend to simulate
themselves and to improve that simulations with time, until when conscious
personalized AI will emerge, that high fidelity simulations, enhanced virtual
humans, and at the same time retain all the relevant information of their past
self, these people will<span style=""> </span>wake up, even if
their original has already demised, to be the first info-survived
personalities, the first info-resurrected ones. I argue that these persons with
their unimaginable capabilities and powers will have to exercise high moral
code, much higher than in our present Darwinian stage, for the safety and
wellbeing <span style=""> </span>of old humanity and the
imminent singularity. more about it in <a href="http://davidishalom1.googlepages.com/home">http://davidishalom1.googlepages.com/home</a> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: left; direction: ltr; unicode-bidi: embed; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><font size="2"> Lee Corbin write in his article <span style="font-family: Verdana;">Duplicates
are Self , 1988 <a href="http://www.leecorbin.com/dupproof.html">http://www.leecorbin.com/dupproof.html</a>
"Why is it easy to believe that someone could be at the same place at two
different times, but very hard to believe that someone could be at the same
time in two different places? ..... So why do they always find "being in
two places at the same time" extraordinarily counter-intuitive?<span style=""> </span>… "They will claim, for example, that minor
differences accumulated in the last minute are crucial, conveniently forgetting
that the remote duplicate is "closer" to them than is the person they
were yesterday."…"but that night a merging process copies 'your' memories of
the day into 'his' brain and 'his' memories into 'yours'<br>
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David Ish-Shalom reply:</span> the reductionist theories of the self assume
that If A is the original person and B is his duplicate, A's survival in B is
maintained as long as they are not mutually existent! Yet, this condition of
not being mutually existent for survival to take place, will not necessarily be
required in the future, since then, various manifestations of the same<span style=""> </span>person at the same time, like cyborg
entities, virtual forms, forglet forms, and nano-engineered manifestation and other
forms, does not impede these selves being one and the same person, as long as
these various manifestations are synchronously info-connected and thus
keeping the same diachronic identity. Synchronous connection is achieved when
human and machines <font size="1"><b><span style="font-size: 12pt; background-image: none; background-repeat: repeat; background-attachment: scroll; background-position: 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;">
are online broad band, connected
such as all the various experiences are online recalled and merged to all of
them at the same time or even once a day as you mention. This support your
view, in the future we will be able to be one and many at the same time, as
long as <span style=""> </span>we are synchronously connected</span></b></font><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><font size="1">.</font></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" dir="ltr" style="text-align: left; direction: ltr; unicode-bidi: embed; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><font size="2"></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" dir="ltr" style="text-align: left; direction: ltr; unicode-bidi: embed;"><font style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" size="2"> <span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Lee writes: "Yes, that's necessary, but it may not be sufficient.
My solution, which I've said quite a few times on this list but which you
probably have not heard, is to give previous versions of yourself ample runtime.
…..But there is also a strong psychological motivation: just why
will future versions of you bother running such an ancient and decrepit fetal
version of themselves? The answer is, as
I call it, "the logic of cryonics". Namely, we reanimate those who
are frozen so that when the time comes we are ourselves reanimated. It proceeds
by (mathematical) induction. Your vast future self (who hardly resembles
you but who has the most power) will see this logic, and if he (it) evilly denies you runtime, then by the same logic he'll be denied </span><span style="background-image: none; background-repeat: repeat; background-attachment: scroll; background-position: 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
runtime</span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> by </span><span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">even more advanced versions. So we must vigorously push this meme: All
previous versions---that we can fix or
capture---are to get runtime so long into the future as we or our future versions shall live." David reply: Basically I agree with you about that point
and even suggest something similar in my methodology of reanimation, to firstly
reanimate the old selfhood – enough runtime - but with built-in drive to shortly after
second wake-up to launch the transformation project thus retaining securely most
of the past experience, abilities and limitation, but as well strongly facilitating
the most important augmentation project to turn into post humans.</span></span></font><b></b></p>