<br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 11/27/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">The Avantguardian</b> <<a href="mailto:avantguardian2020@yahoo.com">avantguardian2020@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
I saw this movie a few months ago but all this talk about the inevitable clash between H+ and Muslim values reminded me of it. It was a gorgeous film essentially a cyberpunk-noir graphic novel come to life. The theme of the movie is the conflict between Islam and transhumanism in future France. I don't want to spoil it for you so that's all I will tell you for now.
</blockquote><br>Stuart, I am not sure whether you may be doing the "debate" a disservice by focusing on "Islam" (which is a gross label) vs. H+ (also a gross label).<br><br>The debate and confrontation is much wider than that -- it is the one that Harris/Dennett/Dawkins are focused on. It is one of the fundamental questions enshrined in Max's extropian principles. Do you base your existence on "rational thought" or not?
<br><br>You can argue that a movie promoting the "in our faces" exhibition of the problem may be useful but I would argue that you might be better served to strike at the heart of the problem.<br><br>So *long* as people believe and act on the basis of nothing more than their thought about a thought (a belief) we have problems.
<br><br>Robert<br><br></div><br>