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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Please excuse me from jumping into the discussion here (new list
member):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>In the general population there is (to me) a lot more pleasure
and enjoyment than general suffering and problems. While there are individuals
who focus their time and effort on their problems instead of focusing on a
positive loop, I don’t think there is a correlation between pleasure and
suffering. I think people who have experienced less suffering, can enjoy
pleasures in the same amount and way as someone who has had a life of
suffering. Even more so, people who have suffered will be marked with those
experiences and they can be a negative thought in the back of your head while
you are experience positive pleasure.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Sondre Bjellås<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org
[mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Stathis
Papaioannou<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 28. februar 2007 14:12<br>
<b>To:</b> ExI chat list<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [extropy-chat] Pleasure as ultimate measure of morality
[Was: Pleasing Oneself]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span class=gmailquote>On
2/28/07, <b>Ricardo Barreira</b> <<a href="mailto:rbarreira@gmail.com">rbarreira@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>> I think pleasure and suffering can weigh each other<br>
> out. If and only if there is more pleasure than<br>
> suffering in a person's life, that life is<br>
> intrinsically worth living (all other things equal). <br>
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So would you like to live a life in which you spend 50 years in heaven<br>
and then 49 years in hell?<o:p></o:p></p>
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These things don't add algebraically. Some would say yes while others might
pass up on it even if they were offered a minute of hell against 50 years of
heaven, and a depressive or a masochist might even prefer an option with more
hell than heaven. <br>
<br>
Stathis Papaioannou<o:p></o:p></p>
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