<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 4/4/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Eugen Leitl</b> <<a href="mailto:eugen@leitl.org">eugen@leitl.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 10:59:39AM +1000, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:<br><br>> deliberately. That is actually exactly what the human brain is: over<br>> billions of years, multiple chemical reactions have occurred
<br>> completely at random ( i.e. there is no designer), and those that just<br>> happen to be better at self-replicating have survived. So although it<br>> seems almost impossible that a car would be thrown together with spare
<br>> parts blowing in the wind, it is quite possible if the parts are<br>> blowing in the wind for billions of years.<br><br>Absolutely not, because the system you described doesn't self-replicate.<br>It's not evolutionary, merely stochastical. There's a world of a difference.
</blockquote><div><br>Fair enough: I should have said that over billions of years, the parts would have combined in multiple random arrangements, some of which were stable and self-replicating, and might eventually give rise to machines resembling cars. Or let me be more specific: might eventually give rise to machines closely resembling Honda Accords with John Coltrane playing on the sound system. Now, that would be *extremely* unlikely; but it was also incredibly unlikely that random mutation + natural selection should have lead over billions of years to human beings having this particular online discussion - and yet here we are. (It doesn't help much even if you could show that some sort sort of intelligent species was likely to evolve: that particular individuals of a particular species evolve is still vanishingly improbable.)
<br><br>I think I've strayed a bit from my original purpose, which was to try to persuade you that thought experiments in which extremely improbable things happen by chance should not be summarily dismissed as irrelevant.
<br><br>Stathis Papaioannou<br></div><br></div><br>