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There are two types of children in LDS philosophy of life. There are
"spirit" children of God, and physical children of our earthly
parents. You are confusing the two and this all fits in with what LDS
believe we are. There is some kind of self existent, eternal
"intelligence" that is some how implanted into a "spirit" child of God,
when God (pro?)creates them (with many plural godly wives that were
also on this world with us.). This combo has a "pre existance" life in
the "spirit world" with these Godly parents. Then this combo is joined
with a physical body as earthly parents procreate and raise a human on
a physical earth. "Gaining a body", and going through all these trials
and suffering is a necessary part of becoming a God.<br>
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IF you succeed at this and become God, then you get to (pro?)create
your own spirit children, and create a world to "send them to" to
"gain" physical bodies of their own and so on. I claim that if you
listen to the way Mormons preach in church, if you create a world that
isn't quite as miserable as this one, full of crucification, races of
your children torturing and completely wiping out others, your
children, or at least the ones that make it, won't be quite as good
Gods as we here on this full of misery earth will surely become. In
other words, they all seem to believe that the worse things are the
better, and that without many failing and being damned, how will you
know the few good ones are really good?<br>
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So what Mormons call "God's plan of happiness" is, I claim, really an
eternal damnation of eternally creating the most damnable world
possible to subject your spirit children to, while you eternally watch
all your spirit children, as you hide from them, disobey you, torture
each other, wipe out entire races, crucify "your only begotten son" for
some incomprehensible necessity and so on, just like our God has done
for us, his spirit children on this world.<br>
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But of course, atheist extropians can hope that evil isn't necessary,
nor all that hard to overcome. And that it will soon be completely
overcome, long before we are anything close to being "omnipotent". And
this eternal Godly life, after this singularity that is absent of
isolation, death and other such evils, does indeed make the LDS view
like an impotent eternal worshiping and wallowing in misery damnation
in comparison.<br>
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So as you can see, I am proud to be a "cultural Mormoan" and have many
similar values to them. But on most of their core doctrine, I am
completely in disagreement with them.<br>
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Brent Allsop<br>
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<pre wrap="">I was under the impression that each Morman adult
man who made the
grade got to have a planet of his own, where he'd
take his wife/wives
and kids to be god-king (or something). That's
somewhat hinted at in
your response. I don't quite see how the kids get
included since
presumably they grow up and go to planets of their
own.
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Well if that's the case, the difference between
Mormonism and Ascensionism is that in the latter you
don't have to die first and God doesn't want to be
bothered by you all any more. ;)
Stuart LaForge
alt email: stuart"AT"ucla.edu
"Nature which governs the whole will soon change all things which thou seest, and out of their substance will make other things, and again other things from the substance of them, in order that the world may be ever new." -Marcus Aurelius, Philosopher and Emperor of Rome.
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