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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>What you are describing is the by-effect of criminalizing drugs.
You saw the same thing in New York back in the days when regular spirit/booze
was illegal and how the mafia built up around the illegal import and
distribution. Today, they use drugs to finance their operations.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The same thing happens today with drugs as booze before it. Reasonable,
stable, adult people should be in control of their own life. If they want to
use drugs, they should be allowed to do so on their own acting.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Just as the sex industry, which was one of the first jobs in
modern human society, the drug (use) abuse might never disappear. If you
illegalize the sex industry, which is a move that the government in Norway is
close to do (they have done it in Sweden recently), people won’t stop
having (buying) sex. Instead, things will be more hidden and secret, and the
girls will have worsened situations and more abuse.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>When I was in Barcelona last year, the image I was left with
from that trip is: pimps, hookers, drug addicts and thieves. I don’t want
any of those in my streets or my neighborhood. When it’s illegal, it will
stay on the streets.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Make it legal and it’s easier to control it and keep
things civilized. We’ll even get taxes, which can be used to help victims
of addictions (drugs, sex, computers..)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>It’s not a fairly land and things are different between
countries.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Germany</span></b><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> has
a more relaxed view on prostitution (is it legal by law?), and they have little
(compared to others) problems with that industry. Violence on the other hand,
is heavily censored in Germany. +Sex, -Violence<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The <b>USA</b> on the other hand, have no problem showing the
most gruesome violence on TV, but if there is a nipple or a tit on TV…oh
boy! -Sex, +Violence<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Norway</span></b><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> is
similar to the US but more liberal, we don’t censor as much as the US and
Germany, but you won’t see anything other than softporn on the TV.
Harcore porno is completely censored, even though they air it on Scandinavian
networks (it’s viewable in Denmark/Sweden). -Sex, +Violence<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Netherlands</span></b><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>,
primarily Amsterdam, have a very liberal view on the soft-drugs and they
tolerate marihuana in certain coffee shops and prostitutes are on display in
the Redlight District. +Drugs, +Sex<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I don’t want my children to be introduced to either drugs
or sex in the way our societies works today. It’s dangerous and people
get killed. If my kids truly wants to try drugs, I’ll allow them when I
think they are old enough to take that decision on their own. But as I said,
the way things are when it’s illegal, is dangerous.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>(<i>If you think marihuana should continue to be illegal, then
we should illegalize alcohol straight away as it kills many more people every
year. And smoking should be illegal of course. And coffee should be illegal, do
we need to illegalize tee that contains caffeine? Sugar (The White Satan) and McDonalds
should in any case be illegal</i>)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Restrictions of any kind that diminishes the freedom of the
individual is negative and should be avoided.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>/Sondre<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org
[mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Stathis
Papaioannou<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 22. april 2007 05:43<br>
<b>To:</b> ExI chat list<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [extropy-chat] Anarchy + Transparent Society + ???<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span class=gmailquote>On
4/21/07, <b>BillK</b> <<a href="mailto:pharos@gmail.com">pharos@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>The whole thrust of this thread is that we are not talking
about some<br>
theoretical fairyland where drug dealers might be thought of as<br>
misunderstood, victimised entrepreneurs.<br>
(I'd like to live there as well, sounds really cool). <br>
<br>
In the real world, drug dealers are amoral armed gangs who kill people<br>
to defend their territory and their business of destroying the lives<br>
of their 'customers', who in turn are engaged in constant minor <br>
criminal activities to finance their addiction.<br>
<br>
Let me know how you feel about this after the ruthless drug gangs move<br>
in to your street, near your family, and you get burgled or mugged<br>
once a month by druggies. <o:p></o:p></p>
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That's all because it's illegal. You don't have fruit sellers shooting each
other and fruit buyers ending up homeless or mugging people so that they can
get their fix.<br>
<br>
Stathis Papaioannou <o:p></o:p></p>
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