<br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 4/25/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Keith Henson</b> <<a href="mailto:hkhenson@rogers.com">hkhenson@rogers.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>The trick to keeping humans out large scale violence is to keep their<br>"bleak future" detectors off. The modern equivalent of game and berries is<br>income per capita. Steady or rising income per capita keeps a population
<br>out of "war mode" unless they are attacked.<br><br></blockquote></div><br>Keith, you keep harping on this topic of population growth as driving war. I feel it is an incomplete theory. Perhaps a much better approach to "going to war" is simply to "migrate". Find a place where the resources are more abundant than they are in the current location and simply move there. Lord knows that we mastered taking down a mammoth long before we mastered taking down a walled city. And one could argue that if one is clever about it fewer people lost their lives in the process.
<br><br>And though I realize this will raise the censor awareness level -- *why* precisely did we go to war in (a) Korea; (b) Vietnam; (c) Iraq? You have to stretch very very far to argue that we were up against population constraints and or decreasing income per capita.
<br><br>I would also cite an interesting example involving the Mongols attacking Iran where it had little to do with population pressure and a lot to do with the Iranian's slaughtering Mongol ambassadors. Or consider for example the "Trojan wars" -- they were fought over a girl as stories go. Or the wars of Roman conquest?
<br><br>IMO, there is a lot of ego and lust for power involved in the theory of war. You need to document on a case by case basis the wars since the beginning of recorded history and how population pressure or declining economic fortunes drove them before I'll grant the argument.
<br><br>(I'd suggest this be a non-list based effort, so people can easily review and consider it.)<br><br>Robert<br><br>