<br><div><div><br> </div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> I am not a religious person but yet I find<br>it utterly useless to denounce Religion in any way as
<br>then I feel that I am stomping on the beliefs of<br>millions of people. </blockquote><div><br><br>It may or may not be useless to denounce religion in public, <br>among religious people...<br><br>But on this list, denouncing religion is just boring, because
<br>nearly all of us have long ago understood that the superstitious<br>and irrational beliefs of religious traditions have no place<br>in a transhumanist world view.<br> </div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
At the same time, I find it<br>useless to ignore Religion as I believe that any<br>movement(such as Transhumanism) that will result in<br>change (such as the Singularity) will have to deal<br>with such minds.</blockquote>
<div><br><br>That is true, and we also have to deal with sex, drug<br>addiction, video games, sadomasochism, and all sorts<br>of other social and psychological phenomena. <br><br>But that doesn't mean we<br>need to focus our discussion on all these various
<br>social and psychological phenomena.<br> </div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">This list is supposed to be about prolonging life, the
<br>use of technology, transhumanism etc. If you believe<br>God doesn't exist and have the right to say it then I<br>would assume that a religious person may have those<br>same rights and discuss the existence of God.
</blockquote><div><br><br>You have the right to say that 2+2=5 also, but if you<br>keep repeating it to me I will start deleting all your<br>emails without reading them ;-)<br><br> </div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
If the list<br>does not wish to dwell on Religion then any and all<br>comments that are in regard to God or Religion should<br>not be made. If I have misunderstood and all<br>Extropians are Atheists, then I think that should be
<br>made clear and concrete.</blockquote></div><br><br>Well, speaking for myself, I really do not wish to discuss religion;<br>and, I also don't care to discuss any philosophical issues with<br>any person who is not either atheist or agnostic (and even
<br>"agnostic" is iffy ... but this word encompasses a lot of<br>different attitudes).<br><br>What I find scary is that so many folks in the modern world<br>still actually believe in some kind of "god" up there in heaven
<br>deciding things about the world. Egads!! If people believe<br>absurd things like that, how the heck can we expect them to think<br>rationally about the Singularity??? ;-p<br><br>I do think there is value in various spiritual experiences and
<br>altered states of consciousness. But connecting these experiences<br>with ideas about "god", gods, demons and the like is really about<br>as silly as believing the Tooth Fairy takes your tooth from under<br>
your pillow and replaces it with a dollar in the middle of the night...<br><br>Next will we have a long thread about the reality of Santa Claus???<br><br>You do after all have the right to believe in Santa, and even<br>to discuss your belief ... but the topic will start to bore a lot of us
<br>on this list pretty quickly...<br><br>-- Ben G<br><br><br><br>