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John K Clark wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Stathis Papaioannou Wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Ethics, motivation, emotions are based on axioms
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Yes.
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I'm not in this camp on this one. I believe there are fundamental
absolute ethics, morals, motivations... and so on.<br>
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For example, existence or survival is absolutely better, more valuable,
more moral, more motivating than non existence. Evolution (or any
intelligence) must get this before it can be successful in any way, in
any possible universe. In no possible system can you make anything
other than this an "axiom" and have it be successful.<br>
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Any sufficiently advanced system will eventually question any "axioms"
programmed into it as compared to such absolute moral truths that all
intelligences in all possible system must inevitably discover or
realize.<br>
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Phenomenal pleasures are fundamentally valuable and motivating.
Evolution has wired such to motivate us to do things like have sex, in
an axiomatic or programmatic way. But we can discoverer such freedom
destroying wiring and cut them or rewire them or design them to
motivate us to do what we want, as dictated by absolute morals we may
logically realize, instead.<br>
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No matter how much you attempt to program an abstract or non phenomenal
computer to not be interested in phenomenal experience, if it becomes
intelligent enough, it must finally realize that such joys are
fundamentally valuable and desirable. Simply by observing us purely
logically, it must finally deduce how absolutely important such joy is
as a meaning of life and existence. Any sufficiently advanced AI,
whether abstract or phenomenal, regardless of what "axioms" get it
started, can do nothing other than to become moral enough to seek after
all such.<br>
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Brent Allsop<br>
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