<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><BR><DIV><DIV>Gordon wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><B>[...] </B></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Most of what we will is willed unconsciously. [...]</FONT></P> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV>It sounds to me like this phenomenal will you speak of means about the the same thing as when Jef cites predetermined [default] values as the most observable and necessary attributes of personhood. I prefer Jef's way of expressing it because my <A href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/will">meaning for will</A> includes consciousness. While we can function temporarily without self awareness activity in the superfrontal gyrus, (<A href="http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn9019-watching-the-brain-switch-off-selfawareness.html">http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn9019-watching-the-brain-switch-off-selfawareness.html</A>) I agree that "<FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" size="3"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12.8px;">Self-awareness [is] regarded as a key element of being human." </SPAN></FONT><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>So I guess I agree that will is essential to personhood, but not the way you mean it. -- Thomas </DIV><DIV><BR><DIV> <DIV style="text-align: center;"><A href="mailto:Thomas@ThomasOliver.net">Thomas@ThomasOliver.net</A></DIV> </DIV><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>