<div>James Clement initially posted this on the WTA list and I am both extremely excited and yet also nervous about Ray Kurzweil's upcoming film. I hope it is equal to the subject material and that it makes it into enough theaters (with enough advertising & marketing mojo behind them) to have its presence strongly felt. The odds are good it will stir up much thoughtful (and also sometimes thoughtless...) public debate. </div> <div> </div> <div>This could be the huge memetic leap forward we have been dreaming about for so long! </div> <div> </div> <div>Thank you, Ray Kurzweil!</div> <div> </div> <div>John Grigg : )</div> <div><BR><A href="http://www.wired.com/entertainment/hollywood/news/2007/11/kurzweil_qa" target=_blank><SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195178279_0><FONT
color=#003399>http://www.wired.com/entertainment/hollywood/news/2007/11/kurzweil_qa</FONT></SPAN></A><BR><BR>Coming Soon to a Theater Near You: The Singularity<BR>By Eliza Strickland 11.13.07 | 3:00 PM <BR> <BR> <BR>Ray Kurzweil speaks on Singularity at the RAS Conference 2007 in <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195178279_1 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">San<BR>Francisco</SPAN>, Feb. 7, 2007. <BR>Photo: Gabriel Bouys/AFP/Getty Images <BR>Ray Kurzweil has plenty of titles already: inventor, author, futurist,<BR>techno-optimist, artificial intelligence expert. Now he's adding a<BR> <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195178279_2 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Hollywood</SPAN><BR>gloss to that list by writing, directing, producing and acting in his<BR> first<BR>feature film. He's adapting his latest book to make a movie titled The<BR>Singularity Is Near: A True Story About The Future. <BR><BR>The "technological singularity" is a
concept that's enchanting to some,<BR> like<BR>Kurzweil, and terrifying to others. As a result of the exponential<BR> progress<BR>of technology, Kurzweil believes, we're racing towards a day when the<BR> power<BR>of the artificially intelligent machines we create will exceed human<BR>brainpower. Our computers will then carry on fashioning a new world --<BR> with<BR>luck, they'll keep our best interests in mind. <BR><BR>Wired News talked to Kurzweil about the movie that he hopes will give<BR> us a<BR>glimpse into that world. <BR><BR>Wired News: Can you tell me a bit about the structure of the movie? <BR><BR>Ray Kurzweil: There's an intertwined A-line and B-line: The A-line is a<BR>documentary, and the B-line is a narrative. Did you see <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195178279_3 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">What The Bleep<BR> Do We<BR>Know</SPAN>!? I didn't like the movie that much. But you can convey<BR> information<BR>well with that structure. On
its own, the narrative line is so<BR> specific, it<BR>can't give you all the information. But sitting through 100 minutes of<BR> a<BR>documentary can be ponderous. So we're combining the two. <BR><BR>WN: What's in the documentary part? <BR><BR>Kurzweil: It contains footage of myself, and also me interviewing 20<BR> big<BR>thinkers, talking about their ideas, and their ideas about my ideas. We<BR> have<BR>people like Eric Drexler, one of the founders of nanotech; Aubrey de<BR> Grey, a<BR>theorist about radical life extension; Bill Joy. <BR><BR>Bill Joy had a famous cover story in Wired that created a firestorm,<BR> because<BR>you had a technological leader talking about the dire prospects of<BR>technology. His article was based on my previous book, The Age of<BR> Spiritual<BR>Machines. He and I are often compared. Even though I'm known as an<BR> optimist,<BR>I've always investigated the promise of new technology versus the<BR> peril. In<BR>that Wired article, Bill Joy
focused on the peril. <BR><BR>WN: So you're debating some of these people in the interviews? <BR><BR>Kurzweil: Yes, there's Bill McKibben -- have you ever heard about this<BR>phenomenon called global warming? Well, he coined the term. He has a<BR> book<BR>called Enough, where he says we should not pursue more GNR -- that's<BR>genetics, nanotech, robotics. He argues for the relinquishment view,<BR> and<BR>says, "Let's relinquish these new technologies, they're too dangerous."<BR> <BR><BR>That's not a view I can accept, for three reasons. One, it would<BR> deprive us<BR>of all the benefits, like curing cancer. One of the questions I ask him<BR> is,<BR>"If you really want to stop global warming and wean us from fossil<BR> fuels,<BR>and (technological progress) is the only way to do it, would you give<BR> it<BR>up?" Second, it would require an authoritarian system to implement such<BR> a<BR>drastic change. Third, it wouldn't work, it would just drive the<BR>
technology<BR>underground. <BR><BR>WN: OK, that's the A-line. What's the narrative you use for a B-line? <BR><BR>Kurzweil: The narrative story is an outgrowth of the Ramona Project,<BR> which I<BR>started in the year 2000. I gave a presentation at TED 2001 (the<BR> Technology<BR>Entertainment Design conference) -- the theme was that in virtual<BR> reality<BR>you can be someone else. <BR><BR>I turned myself into a computer avatar named Ramona. I had magnetic<BR> sensors<BR>in my clothing, picking up all my motions and sending the data to<BR> Ramona,<BR>who followed my movements in real time. My voice was turned into<BR> Ramona's<BR>voice, so it looked like she was giving the presentation. I was<BR> standing<BR>next to the screen, so people could see what was happening. A band came<BR>onstage, and I sang two songs: "White Rabbit," and a song I wrote<BR> called<BR>"Come Out and Play." Then my daughter came out, who was 14 at the time,<BR> and<BR>she was turned into a male
backup dancer. Her avatar was in the form of<BR><SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195178279_4 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Richard Saul Wurman</SPAN>, the impresario of the conference. He's kind of a<BR>heavyset gentleman, not known for his hip-hop kicks, so it was quite a<BR> show.<BR><BR><BR>WN: Ramona is also a presence on your website, right? You can interact<BR> with<BR>her, ask her questions, and sort of test her artificial intelligence. <BR><BR>Kurzweil: Right. It's a real 20-year project of mine, to create an AI<BR> that<BR>can pass the Turing Test. <BR><BR>WN: So in the movie's narrative, Ramona the avatar is the main<BR> character? <BR><BR>Kurzweil: It's a Pinocchio story. She detects a "gray goo" attack, an<BR> attack<BR>of self-replicating nanobots. The <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195178279_5 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Department of Homeland Security</SPAN> is<BR>oblivious to this, and won't listen to her,
so she gets her other<BR> avatar<BR>friends to work on this. But she breaks some homeland security<BR> protocols in<BR>the process. She's arrested -- and there's a discussion about how you<BR> can<BR>arrest a virtual person. She hires (civil rights attorney) Alan<BR> Dershowitz<BR>to defend her, and also to establish her rights as a legal person. She<BR> feels<BR>she's human enough to have human rights. There's a whole courtroom<BR> scene,<BR>and finally the judge says, "OK, I'll grant your legal rights if you<BR> can<BR>pass the Turing Test." She hires Tony Robbins, the motivational<BR> speaker, to<BR>help her become more human, and the plot goes on from there. <BR><BR>WN: You're making a thriller! That's ambitious. How far along in the<BR> process<BR>are you? <BR><BR>Kurzweil: We have filmed the whole A-line documentary, and we're<BR> editing it<BR>now. We're in pre-production for the B-line; we will shoot that in the<BR>spring. This will be released in late '08.
<BR><BR>WN: Who's playing Ramona? <BR><BR>Kurzweil: It stars <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195178279_6 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Pauley Perrette</SPAN>, who plays a very gothy, punky<BR> computer<BR>sleuth in (TV crime show) NCIS. She's perfect for the part. I play<BR> myself in<BR>the future, and I have a complex relationship with this woman in the<BR> movie.<BR>She's a creation of mine, kind of like a daughter of mine, but ancient<BR>taboos aren't relevant, so there's a romantic element. And she's trying<BR> to<BR>become independent, so there's a <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195178279_7 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Pinocchio</SPAN> aspect. <BR><BR>WN: You've already written a book explaining your theories about the<BR>approach of singularity; why did you want to do a movie? To spread the<BR> meme<BR>further? <BR><BR>Kurzweil: Yes, but it's not just an idle desire to spread the meme --<BR> like,<BR>I had this idea,
and now I want everyone to know about it. There's so<BR> much<BR>discussion that's totally unrealistic, because people are not aware of<BR> this<BR>topic. <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195178279_8 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Al Gore</SPAN> gets up there to do his PowerPoint presentation on<BR> global<BR>warming, and he says, "Within 100 years, carbon levels will be here,"<BR> as if<BR>nothing's going to change! As if it's going to be the same old world in<BR> 100<BR>years. He never once mentions nanotechnology. <BR><BR>WN: So you're trying to make people understand how the exponential<BR> advances<BR>in technology will abruptly and unexpectedly solve many of the world's<BR>problems? <BR><BR>Kurzweil: Think how different the world was 10 years ago -- 10 years<BR> ago,<BR>most people didn't use search engines. That sounds like ancient history<BR> now.<BR>Generally, people think linearly. I think it's critical that people<BR>understand that linear
thinking no longer applies. If we capture one<BR> part<BR>out of 10,000 of sunlight that falls on the earth, we can solve our<BR> energy<BR>problems. And nanotech will give us the capacity to store (that <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195178279_9 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">solar<BR>energy</SPAN>). Radical life extensions mean that the current discussion of<BR> social<BR>security is completely unrealistic. People say, "Oh, there's going to<BR> be a<BR>deficit in 2027." Their model is based on linear predictions on<BR> longevity,<BR>productivity and economic growth. The situation will be different when<BR> you<BR>have 65-year-olds who look and act 35 years old. <BR><BR>WN: It's certainly true that linear thinking runs through everything we<BR> do. <BR><BR>Kurzweil: For thousands of years, it actually served our needs to think<BR>linearly. If you think about our genes and our brains, they obviously<BR>evolved into their modern forms before advanced
technology. If you saw<BR>something in the trees coming towards you, and you made a linear<BR> projection<BR>about where it would be in 15 seconds, and where you needed to not be,<BR> that<BR>actually worked very well. But these days we have different kinds of<BR>problems, and we need a different kind of thinking. <BR>>><BR><BR><BR></div><p>
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