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At 04:28 PM 11/18/2007, Eli wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Natasha Vita-More wrote:<br>
><br>
> Yes. He was a friend. His name was John
Perry.<br><br>
Max More wrote:<br>
> Right after I sent off that last email, I remembered that Dan's
<br>
> surname was "McIntire" or "MacIntire" (or
possibly Macintyre". Hope that helps.<br><br>
Thanks, both. (I thought I'd sent an earlier email but it's not
<br>
showing up in my inbox.)<br><br>
I hope it doesn't sound too horribly insensitive to say this, but if
<br>
anyone can think of a definite, confirmed, unamgiguous case of an <br>
atheist sacrificing their life while being current in a cryo <br>
arrangement, it would be the ultimate counterevidence to the
"selfish <br>
cryonicist" meme. I wish I didn't have to look for a
completely <br>
airtight case, but you know the kind of debaters we're up against. <br>
I.e., "Maybe John Perry thought better of your damned crazy idea and
<br>
that's why he wasn't signed up any more."</blockquote><br>
Here is a thought: Since the term "heros" is in the
mainstream, whether instrumental because of the TV show "Heros"
or because of a nostalgia for heros in modern culture, the term is used
especially at CNN for everyday types of heros who may not hit magazine
covers.
<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/07/16/heroes.archive/" eudora="autourl">
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/07/16/heroes.archive/</a><br><br>
The term is used to recognize people, who have not performed big acts
like John in volunteering to help out at 9/11, but those who do small but
crucial acts of bravery and random acts of kindness.<br><br>
Thus, if you are unable to find a cryonicist/achiest who has notable
heroic behavior, there may still be someone who has done some act that in
and of itself is heroic. In this way, I would say that FM-2030 was
a hero. He perpetually helped people on a daily basis. He
took phone calls morning, noon, and night to council people who were
dealing with problems which affected their lives. In this
regard, he was not selfish and no one thought of him as selfish in his
relationships with people he counselled - his friends (I am strictly
talking about friends or those who came to him for counselling). I
don't know all the people suspended, but I feel confident that there are
some who are recognized in their communities to have been generous and
selfless (meaning not stingy, but not meaning self-less.)<br><br>
Natasha<x-sigsep><p></x-sigsep>
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<dd><font size=2><a href="http://www.natasha.cc/">Natasha</a>
<a href="http://www.natasha.cc/"> Vita-More</a>
<dd>PhD Candidate, Planetary Collegium - CAiiA, situated in the
Faculty of Technology,
<dd>School of Computing, Communications and Electronics,
<dd>University of Plymouth, UK
<dd><a href="http://www.transhumanist.biz/">Transhumanist Arts &
Culture</a>
<dd><a href="http://extropy.org/">Thinking About the
</a><a href="http://extropy.org/">Future</a> <br><br>
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<dd><font face="Times New Roman, Times"><i>If you draw a circle in the
sand and study only what's inside the circle, then that is a
closed-system perspective. If you study what is inside the circle and
everything outside the circle, then that is an open system perspective. -
</i>Buckminster Fuller<br>
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