On Dec 11, 2007 1:44 AM, Seien <<a href="mailto:seienchan@gmail.com">seienchan@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<span style="color: rgb(85, 0, 85);"></span><div class="Ih2E3d">>if he can start a church with morality as a goal, maybe the powerful god representation can trump the larger numbers if they believe themselves subject to his desire. (of course it's easier if you start programming them as early as possible to accept the doctrine before they have any experience with logic and rational thinking)
<br><br>>But if you take it all away, what are you left with?</div><div>--Mike Dougherty</div><div><br></div><div>And Mike: Morality IS rationality. It would be quite abhorrent to follow an idea with no rational justification. Morality is about ideas and theories on the best way to live. This is arrived at rationally. Again, persuasion over coercion. There's no need to speak like a savage when you have the mind of a human being. :)
</div><div><br></div><div>Also, if you're going to use a gender pronoun, you may as well use the right one: I am female. <br><div></div></div></blockquote></div><br>To be honest, I kind of lost track of which object the pronoun in that statement was referring (you, the church, god, ???) Thanks for the update though, I will try to not make that mistake again.
<br><br>I agree with your definition of morality and rationality. I was using a more jaded impression of the coerced behavior in the guise of morality dictated by a religious institutional authority. Are the laws of the Church as obvious as the "laws of Nature" vs "Natural Law" - or are they twisted around obvious truths in a way that makes believe without understanding more acceptable? (forgive my ignorance - I had one semester-long class on "Christian Morality" at a Catholic university. It was a long semester.)
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