<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><HTML><FONT SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10>In a message dated 05/03/2008 00:21:57 GMT Standard Time, santostasigio@yahoo.com writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Well,<BR>
about the anthropomorphisizing of AGI, you say in the end that some say the motivation of AGI will be the one we program into it. Exactly, that is my point, it is difficult for us to create an intelligence utterly alien when the only example of intelligence we have is us.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">I can't help but notice that many of the posts have started out with logic and concluded with quazi-anthropomorphic, straw man arguments.<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">I understand that an AGI will or should be based upon 'human intelligence,' however the end result will be completely Alien to us. So much so that our interpretation of intelligence wouldn't really fit. <BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">But maybe there are general and universal principles associated with intelligence.<BR>
Intelligence means finding patterns and connections, understanding that affecting this part here means affecting this other part over there, intelligence means having a higher sense of physical and moral "ecology".</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Again this is reduced to anthropomorphic intelligence. The AGI will have logic based 'cold' intelligence. From this it will probably and rightly deduce that morality is a human construct which serves the needs of human civilisation. A civilisation which it is not a part. Expecting It to adhere to these moral codes would be akin to you or I adhering to the moral codes of Ants. So If someone comes on your property, bite their head off.<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">If you see connections between all the beings than you feel compassion and understanding (and yes these are human feelings, but they are also fundamental components of our intelligence, and a lot of new research shows that without feelings we would no have a conscious intelligence at all).</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">My point. We would like to think that we can reduce ourselves to simple data constructs which mirror our original wetware physical structure. Expecting that this 'uploaded' us would run in the same manner that we do today. How do we code for that groggy morning feeling? or the rush of excitement associated with anticipation of something good? All the things which truly make us who we are, the things which have driven us and made us take the unique forks in our lives.<BR>
These are what give us the basis for our 'Intelligence' our logic, our rationalisation. It is what makes us human.<BR>
The uploaded us and the AGI will have none of this, so will not make intelligent decisions the way we do. that is what I mean by 'Cold' intelligence. It is devoid of chemical input. Show me a line of code for Happy, Sad, Remorse.<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">At most we can hope for some minor 'don't do this because it's bad' type of rules in its main code. But if we have given it the ability to change it's code, what is to stop it overwriting these rules based upon some logical conclusion that it comes to?<BR>
If we hard wire the rules, what is to stop it creating its own 'offspring' without these rules? Whatever we do, it will have the logic to undo and far faster than we can counter any mistakes or oversights.<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Yes we exterminate bugs, but usually in limited situations (like in our house or on a crop). It would be unacceptable for mankind to have a global plan to complete exterminate all the roaches of the earth even if it could be done.<BR>
And it is difficult to have feelings for bug, it would not make sense ecologically, it would not be the intelligent thing to do, and by defintion AGI is supposed to be Intelligent.<BR>
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Again anthropomorphically intelligent. It may well be the cold inteligent decission to pre-emptively exterminate a potential threat. After all, it wouldn't feel bad about it, it wouldn't feel anything.<BR>
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