On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 7:58 PM, Bryan Bishop <<a href="mailto:kanzure@gmail.com">kanzure@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="Ih2E3d">On Saturday 08 March 2008, Stefano Vaj wrote:<br>
> - Essentially and originally a hero is simply an individual denoted<br>
> by a semi-divine status: in the Ancient Greece, an individual<br>
> typically endowed by his genetic (!) peculiarity, as the hybrid<br>
> offspring of a god and a human being, allowing and making him behave<br>
> in a "heroic", i.e., extraordinary, way (reversing the myth, heroics<br>
> of a given individual may make for a semi-divine status attributed<br>
> to, and recognised in, him by the relevant community). Self-sacrifice<br>
<br>
</div>Then we are led to think that a hero is one who has achieved divinity?</blockquote><div><br>No, heroes were definitely not gods. Rather, they were considered as semi-divine, and of partial divine descent, out of what they did.<br>
<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Yes, while this is far from acceptance-of-self-injury, it is still<br>
self-injury, no? You still injure yourself by continuing to live, yes?<br>
You continue to face the possibility of evolutionary failure, you have<br>
that taste of the infinite. But this 'injury' is only natural, and so<br>
we know that it is not, in fact, injury, but rather the way of life ...<br>
but we also know that we can change this so-called 'way', that we can<br>
recreate it to our liking. </blockquote><div><br>Agreed.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">But do we<br>
not, to some extent, determine our own fate? </blockquote><div><br>Absolutely. And, after a fashion, a hero (say, Achilles) determines his fate. Of course, now we can think of and hope for a quantum leap in our fate-determining skills... :-)<br>
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<div class="Ih2E3d">> - Even in the everyday concept of hero, heroics have more to do with<br>
> the idea of "putting oneself fully into play", "being the living<br>
> incarnation of a cause", or "consciously accepting the related<br>
> risks", than with personal self-sacrifice, which is at most a<br>
> possible, and certainly not deliberately and masochistically sought,<br>
> outcome of such a position.<br>
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</div>If we are to put ourselves into the realm of play, then why not do it to<br>
the best of our ability?<br></blockquote></div><br>Absolutely.<br><br>Stefano Vaj<br>